Why no 24th century elements in the movie?

[Gotham Central]

One of the things that kind of bothered me about the movie was that the Jellyfish and Spock's flashbacks do not really convey the idea that he originated in the 24th century. In fact they seemed determined to avoid anything that tied the movie to the 24th century. Why?

They could have gone with fairly simple things like including LCARS on the interior. I thought that it might be an issue of having to pay people to use the concepts. But then you notice that the 24th century UFP seal is everywhere.

 

[nx1701g]

Maybe they own a trademark on the UFP symbol and not the LCARS designs? I agree with you though that the only thing that seems to connect it to the 24th Century is the computer voice and the date of its launching.

Could it be that they don't have LCARS though because it was supposed to be built by Vulcan?

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

Star Trek is done with the 24th Century and is now moving back to the 23rd, a good place to go imo

 

[JonWes]

I think a better question is why WOULD they include 24th century stuff? What would it add to the movie or story?

 

[Messianni]

Why would LCARS be in there? It was commissioned by the Vulcan Science Academy, not Starfleet.

 

[Oso Blanco]

It was commissioned by the Vulcan Science Academy, not Starfleet.

Was it? I thought it was built by Geordie LaForge!

 

[JonWes]

It could have been built by LaForge for the Vulcan Science Academy. In Countdown, LaForge is no longer in Starfleet.

 

[DaveyNY]

...ergo, Geordie (the Writers) can make it look any way he (They) want...

 

[Docbrown777]

It could have been built by LaForge for the Vulcan Science Academy. In Countdown, LaForge is no longer in Starfleet.

What?!?! How is he going to become the captain of the USS Challenger then?!?!

CANON VIOLATION!!!

 

[Nomad8324]

For all we know Geordie will never be born now.

Who is to say a relative didn't die in the ambush at vulcan or that someone would would cause that relationship and birth to happen.

 

[Gotham Central]

I think a better question is why WOULD they include 24th century stuff? What would it add to the movie or story?

For me personally, it would have gone a long way toward validating the idea that Spock had originated in the original Trek timeline. After all, he was supposed to have been from the 24th century that we were familiar with. Yet there is nothing really in the movie that ties them to the original universe.

I would have been perfectly willing to accept a total reboot of the series. However they chose to suggest that Spock prime was from the Star Trek that we have known for 40 years. With the exception of Leonard Nimoy himself, there is not much there that visually makes that connection real. In fact the weird stardate and peculiar technology left me with the impression that he did not originate in the original timeline.

 

[Gotham Central]

I would not have had a problem with a genuine reboot. However, THEY made the decision to tie this to the original 24th century. If they went to the trouble of doing that, why not throw in visual elements that reinforce that idea?

 

[od0_ital]

Leonard Nimoy as Spock was enough for me, considerin' we know he was still alive in the TNG era, courtesy of TNG 'Unification, Parts One & Two'.

 

[Nomad8324]

I would not have had a problem with a genuine reboot. However, THEY made the decision to tie this to the original 24th century. If they went to the trouble of doing that, why not throw in visual elements that reinforce that idea?

The tied it into the the 24th Century of the ORIGINAL timeline. Not this alternate timeline.

 

[Gotham Central]

It could have been built by LaForge for the Vulcan Science Academy. In Countdown, LaForge is no longer in Starfleet.

To be perfectly honest, the 24th century depicted in Countdown seemed...off to say the least. Vulcan and the Federation are treated as almost seperate entities. In fact, that Vulcan had a "high command" and elements that seemed more Romulan.

In any case, it still begs the question as to why they went out of their way to make this a uniquely Vulcan ship with no visual ties to anything we'd seen in other depictions of the time period. Why not make it a more recognizeable Federation or Starfleet design? After all, in the end, Nero goes after the entire Federation anyway.

As far as I am concerned, Abrahams would have been better off eliminating all reference to the original timeline than showing us an unrecognizeable version of it. Emotionally, it just left me cold. While I liked seeing Nimoy, on some level he ends up being unnecessary. His 2387 was unlike anything we'd seen before. In fact, his mentioning of Mr. Scott inventing a technology that we'd NEVER even heard of (as late as the 2370s) in addition to the red matter stuff, just makes his entire presence feel like Deux ex Machina rather than an emotional bridge between the old and new versions of Trek.

 

[Skywalker]

For all we know Geordie will never be born now.

Who is to say a relative didn't die in the ambush at vulcan or that someone would would cause that relationship and birth to happen.

Geordi was born and continues to exist in the original timeline. It is possible that he may never be born in the new timeline, of course.

 

[Gotham Central]

I would not have had a problem with a genuine reboot. However, THEY made the decision to tie this to the original 24th century. If they went to the trouble of doing that, why not throw in visual elements that reinforce that idea?

The tied it into the the 24th Century of the ORIGINAL timeline. Not this alternate timeline.

Actually, I feel like they did the exact opposite. What they showed seemed more suitable to being a depiction of the future of the Abrahamsverse than it does the 24th Century that we've known since 1987. Nothing about the Jellyfish says "Trek fans, this is a relic (and thus bridge) of the world you've known." That was supposed to be the whole point of Nimoy and the alternate future elements being in the movie.

 

[Foxy]

One of the things that kind of bothered me about the movie was that the Jellyfish and Spock's flashbacks do not really convey the idea that he originated in the 24th century. In fact they seemed determined to avoid anything that tied the movie to the 24th century. Why?

They could have gone with fairly simple things like including LCARS on the interior. I thought that it might be an issue of having to pay people to use the concepts. But then you notice that the 24th century UFP seal is everywhere.

Thats what Countdown was for ..as that was all 24th century stuff

 

[JoeZhang]

Countdown was simply a cash grab - I wouldn't give it a second thought as actually happening.

The film gives you the impression, for example, that Spock never knew Nero before he attacks him in space and tries to capture him. Same with all that "borg ship" bollocks.

 

[urbandk]

Countdown was simply a cash grab - I wouldn't give it a second thought as actually happening.

The film gives you the impression, for example, that Spock never knew Nero before he attacks him in space and tries to capture him. Same with all that "borg ship" bollocks.

this. Countdown was a sop to fans, a string of cameos tied together by a weak story. it was another "let's get the old gang back together again" story, something Star Trek is renowned for.