What happened to the USS Farragut?

[urbandk]

Trekker, holds out hope we see the "Orion" hottie again in the sequel.

Me too!

She wasn't assigned to the Farragut. We were never told which ship Gaila was assigned to.

That's true. She looked pleased about her assignment. Even if she weren't on the Farragut, she probably would have been on another ship that went to Vulcan...

 

[Trekker4747]

Trekker, holds out hope we see the "Orion" hottie again in the sequel.

Me too!

She wasn't assigned to the Farragut. We were never told which ship Gaila was assigned to.

I thought she was, I infered as much when she turned around and smiled at Uhura. I interpeted it ias a "Yay, girlfriend, we're on the same ship! Sing it with me sista!"

Then Uhura went all up in Spock's face on being assigned to the Farragut of all places. Hmph!

 

[nx1701g]

That could be possible. I hold out hope she was assigned to the Enterprise though (weren't the best of the best the only ones assigned there?)

 

[T'Paul]

The Farragut wasn't wasn't destroyed on screen. Therefor your theory is just as bunk.

Fortuantly, more evidence supports my, and everyone elses', theory than yours.

It isn't a theory. It's a statement of fact. The Farragut wasn't destroyed onscreen. Are you being intentionally dense?

Fine.

Neither Kirks father nor Spock's mother were killed on screen either.

Sure, events occured that implied an impending death, but we never saw them "die."

I therefor propose that Kirk's father and Spock's mother are both alive.

I also propose that Kirk and McCoy landed in the shuttlebay and then magically appeared in Sickbay. Afterall, we never SAW them get OFF the shuttle, walk down the hall, enter a turbolift and get off the sickbay's deck.

It's also possible Kirk was immaculately concieved.

Afterall, we never SAW Mr and Mrs. Kirk get dirty. So we've no proof that that guy was Kirk's father.

We saw Kirk's father within a fraction of a second of his death and Spock's mother within seconds of her death. Comparing those events to the Farragut's mysterious fate is boneheaded.

 

[Trekker4747]

That could be possible. I hold out hope she was assigned to the Enterprise though (weren't the best of the best the only ones assigned there?)

If she were on the Enterprise, I suspect we would've seen her again at some point. A "humorous" moment where she passes Kirk in the hall or in sickbay or something and she gives him a "Wha, huh?!" look with a point, and Kirk gives her one of his sidelong glances/smirks.

 

[Docbrown777]

Here is what I believe happened. Note that all of this is dependent on the Orion girl being aboard. If she wasn't then I just assume the ship was lost with all hands and really did more harm then good because it's remains got in the way of the Enterprise.

So, the Farragut was part of the first group of ships to warp to Vulcan. However, it was at the back of the first group. When they got to Vulcan all the ships infront of it started getting wasted. The captain decided it wasn't worth it and ordered them to warp out to safety. They did but had sustained so much damage that they only made it to the outskits of the Vulcan system. The ship was adraft and damaged so bad that all communications were down so they couldn't contact anyone. Eventually they got communications back up and were rescued a day or so after the Enterprise blasts the Narada to kingdom come.

 

[urbandk]

That could be possible. I hold out hope she was assigned to the Enterprise though (weren't the best of the best the only ones assigned there?)

I wonder if anyone looked in the crowd at the assembly at the end, when Kirk is given his commendation. She stuck out like a green thumb in the first assembly.

 

[Trekker4747]

We saw Kirk's father within a fraction of a second of his death and Spock's mother within seconds of her death. Comparing those events to the Farragut's mysterious fate is boneheaded.

The Romulan ship could've transported Kirk's father out at the last second.

Spock's mother might have grabbed onto an outcropping and stopped her fall and then gotten off via transport from a rescue ship where she -in order to escape her Vulcan life- gave them a false name.

Did we SEE her hit the ground?

Did we SEE Kirk's father splash into the wall of the Kelvin?

No. We did not.

They didn't die on screen.

They could still be alive.

I'm just applying the very same logic you are.

 

[urbandk]

Here is what I believe happened. Note that all of this is dependent on the Orion girl being aboard. If she wasn't then I just assume the ship was lost with all hands and really did more harm then good because it's remains got in the way of the Enterprise.

So, the Farragut was part of the first group of ships to warp to Vulcan. However, it was at the back of the first group. When they got to Vulcan all the ships infront of it started getting wasted. The captain decided it wasn't worth it and ordered them to warp out to safety. They did but had sustained so much damage that they only made it to the outskits of the Vulcan system. The ship was adraft and damaged so bad that all communications were down so they couldn't contact anyone. Eventually they got communications back up and were rescued a day or so after the Enterprise blasts the Narada to kingdom come.

Why would that be dependent on the Orion girl being on board?

 

[T'Paul]

We saw Kirk's father within a fraction of a second of his death and Spock's mother within seconds of her death. Comparing those events to the Farragut's mysterious fate is boneheaded.

The Romulan ship could've transported Kirk's father out at the last second.

Spock's mother might have grabbed onto an outcropping and stopped her fall and then gotten off via transport from a rescue ship where she -in order to escape her Vulcan life- gave them a false name.

Did we SEE her hit the ground?

Did we SEE Kirk's father splash into the wall of the Enterprise?

No. We did not.

They didn't die on screen.

They could still be alive.

I'm just applying the very same logic you are.

The same logic, but to ridiculous cases.

But you're wrong about the Romulans: the drill disrupted transporters.

 

[urbandk]

We saw Kirk's father within a fraction of a second of his death and Spock's mother within seconds of her death. Comparing those events to the Farragut's mysterious fate is boneheaded.

The Romulan ship could've transported Kirk's father out at the last second.

Spock's mother might have grabbed onto an outcropping and stopped her fall and then gotten off via transport from a rescue ship where she -in order to escape her Vulcan life- gave them a false name.

Did we SEE her hit the ground?

Did we SEE Kirk's father splash into the wall of the Enterprise?

No. We did not.

They didn't die on screen.

They could still be alive.

I'm just applying the very same logic you are.

I think you're on to something. And all this time I wanted to get around Robau's death. I think he was resuscitated too. I always thought that Robau was the reason Nero ended up at Rura Penthe...

 

[nx1701g]

^ And the drill had been disabled - you did notice that people were being beamed off the planet didn't you?

 

[urbandk]

We saw Kirk's father within a fraction of a second of his death and Spock's mother within seconds of her death. Comparing those events to the Farragut's mysterious fate is boneheaded.

The Romulan ship could've transported Kirk's father out at the last second.

Spock's mother might have grabbed onto an outcropping and stopped her fall and then gotten off via transport from a rescue ship where she -in order to escape her Vulcan life- gave them a false name.

Did we SEE her hit the ground?

Did we SEE Kirk's father splash into the wall of the Enterprise?

No. We did not.

They didn't die on screen.

They could still be alive.

I'm just applying the very same logic you are.

The same logic, but to ridiculous cases.

But you're wrong about the Romulans: the drill disrupted transporters.

Dude drill was sabotaged, remember? That's how everyone else transported. ha ha?

 

[Trekker4747]

The same logic, but to ridiculous cases.

But you're wrong about the Romulans: the drill disrupted transporters.

They weren't using the drill during the encounter with the Kelvin.

Are my examples extreme? Perhaps. But that's the point.

We don't need to see things happen to know they happened.

Dialogue and events in the movie point to the Farragut being destroyed.

NOTHING points to it making it out of or avoiding the battle.

Nothing.

Did it happen "for-sure" on screen? No. Which is an "out" if they want to bring it back in a future movie. For now, the Farragut is gone. Dialogue in the movie says the entire fleet -save the Enterprise which was delayed due to Sulu leaving the parking-break on- was destroyed in the battle. The Farragut was in the battle.

 

[adm58]

Here is the destroyed Farragut on screen:

 

[urbandk]

Here is the destroyed Farragut on screen:

FTW!

Thanks!

 

[T'Paul]

The same logic, but to ridiculous cases.

But you're wrong about the Romulans: the drill disrupted transporters.

They weren't using the drill during the encounter with the Kelvin.

Are my examples extreme? Perhaps. But that's the point.

We don't need to see things happen to know they happened.

Dialogue and events in the movie point to the Farragut being destroyed.

NOTHING points to it making it out of or avoiding the battle.

Nothing.

Did it happen "for-sure" on screen? No. Which is an "out" if they want to bring it back in a future movie. For now, the Farragut is gone. Dialogue in the movie says the entire fleet -save the Enterprise which was delayed due to Sulu leaving the parking-break on- was destroyed in the battle. The Farragut was in the battle.

I think it would require a lot of suspension of disbelief to buy that Kirk was the only person in the Federation who realized Nero's ship was above Vulcan.

 

[Docbrown777]

Here is what I believe happened. Note that all of this is dependent on the Orion girl being aboard. If she wasn't then I just assume the ship was lost with all hands and really did more harm then good because it's remains got in the way of the Enterprise.

So, the Farragut was part of the first group of ships to warp to Vulcan. However, it was at the back of the first group. When they got to Vulcan all the ships infront of it started getting wasted. The captain decided it wasn't worth it and ordered them to warp out to safety. They did but had sustained so much damage that they only made it to the outskits of the Vulcan system. The ship was adraft and damaged so bad that all communications were down so they couldn't contact anyone. Eventually they got communications back up and were rescued a day or so after the Enterprise blasts the Narada to kingdom come.

Why would that be dependent on the Orion girl being on board?

Ummm, cause if she wasn't then I don't care and the Farragut and its' crew can go down in plasma fire flames for all I care.

 

[T'Paul]

Here is the destroyed Farragut on screen:

Does it say Farragut on the hull?

 

[Trekker4747]

Here is the destroyed Farragut on screen:

FTW!

Thanks!

I see a "ship" but how does one identify it as the Farragut?