I think this alternate universe is screwed (spoilers)

[Robert DeSoto]

We've seen in the original timeline that the Federation just barely fights off some of its biggest rivals. But with Vulcan destroyed in the alternate timeline, you've got to be believe that the Federation is significantly weaker. Vulcan was one of the most important members in the Federation and the most technologically advanced prior to its founding. (Think NATO without the US or UK).

Even if the Federation isn't overrun by the Klingons or Romulans. What chance are they going to have against the Borg, or the Dominion?

I just think its kinda ironic to save Earth from Nero, but that it will probably end up getting assimilated one day.

If I was Spock prime, knowing what I know about the Federation's future conflicts, I'd start working on a way to get back to my own universe. Or I'd tell the alternate Enterprise crew to start looking for that reset button!

 

[Chess Piece Face]

So you are postulating that the reason Kirk beat the Whale Probe and Picard beat the Borg is because the planet Vulcan existed?

I think that's a flawed theory. If anything Starfleet is stronger now that ever because they have fought borg tech in Nero's ship and they also have Spock Prime's amazing brain full of knowledge of the future.

 

[tfarr]

We've seen in the original timeline that the Federation just barely fights off some of its biggest rivals. But with Vulcan destroyed in the alternate timeline, you've got to be believe that the Federation is significantly weaker. Vulcan was one of the most important members in the Federation and the most technologically advanced prior to its founding. (Think NATO without the US or UK).

Even if the Federation isn't overrun by the Klingons or Romulans. What chance are they going to have against the Borg, or the Dominion?

I just think its kinda ironic to save Earth from Nero, but that it will probably end up getting assimilated one day.

If I was Spock prime, knowing what I know about the Federation's future conflicts, I'd start working on a way to get back to my own universe. Or I'd tell the alternate Enterprise crew to start looking for that reset button!

lol Good point. Granted we didn't see the Vulcans help out much in the battle of Wolf 359..

If I'm understanding this movie correctly, we're not dealing with just an alternate time line. It's another universe all together. Like Mirror Mirror, but not cool.

So in this alternate universe / reality... anything can be different, even if it's not directly related to the time travel incident and the Kelvin being destroyed. The Borg don't necessarily exist. The past could be different too. I mean it would have to be, since "Admiral Archer" would otherwise have been 140 years old when Scotty beamed his dog into oblivion.

 

[miraclefan]

So you are postulating that the reason Kirk beat the Whale Probe and Picard beat the Borg is because the planet Vulcan existed?

I think that's a flawed theory. If anything Starfleet is stronger now that ever because they have fought borg tech in Nero's ship and they also have Spock Prime's amazing brain full of knowledge of the future.

What he said!

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

So you are postulating that the reason Kirk beat the Whale Probe and Picard beat the Borg is because the planet Vulcan existed?

That's quite an assumption indeed.

If anything, it might make the Federation different. Not stronger, not weaker... Just different. Less rigid, perhaps?

 

[SiddFinch1]

Arent they already at war with someone? The entire fleet was away at some otehr battle I thought?

 

[James Pike]

Well you're not thinking about ALL of the ramifications. It's possible now that the Federation might not meet the Borg for a long time after when they did. remember, Q flung the Enterprise-D into the Delta Quadrant which is where they met the Borg and the Borg got a "taste" of the federation. It was either Q or someone else that said we weren't supposed to meet the Borg yet, so it's possible that the Borg aren't encountered for some time.
You have to think of it as the butterfly effect. One thing has changed, the destruction of Vulcan, many many unforeseeable outcomes will arraise from it. (namely writers can do whatever they want) Though I think certain things should still be in place, V'ger visits Earth looking for it's creator, The Whale Probe visits Earth, but those will have different outcomes now depending on all the actions that lead up to it.

 

[RoJoHen]

Well you're not thinking about ALL of the ramifications. It's possible now that the Federation might not meet the Borg for a long time after when they did. remember, Q flung the Enterprise-D into the Delta Quadrant which is where they met the Borg and the Borg got a "taste" of the federation. It was either Q or someone else that said we weren't supposed to meet the Borg yet, so it's possible that the Borg aren't encountered for some time.
You have to think of it as the butterfly effect. One thing has changed, the destruction of Vulcan, many many unforeseeable outcomes will arraise from it. (namely writers can do whatever they want) Though I think certain things should still be in place, V'ger visits Earth looking for it's creator, The Whale Probe visits Earth, but those will have different outcomes now depending on all the actions that lead up to it.

I think the Whale Probe is gonna fuck us over. Just think of what needed to happen in order for the Enterprise crew to save the day!

Kirk had to maroon Khan on Ceti Alpha V. Years later, Chekov had to rediscover Khan on Ceti Alpha V. Khan had to steal the Genesis device. Spock had to die. Spock had to be reborn on the Genesis planet. Commander Kruge had to try and steal Genesis. Kirk had to blow up the Enterprise and steal a Bird of Prey. They had to take the Bird of Prey all the way to Vulcan (which doesn't EXIST ANYMORE!). Then they had to fly home to Earth, only to be stopped on their way and figure out that the transmission from the Probe was the sound of humpback whales.

That Probe will destroy us all.

 

[Robert DeSoto]

So you are postulating that the reason Kirk beat the Whale Probe and Picard beat the Borg is because the planet Vulcan existed?

I think that's a flawed theory. If anything Starfleet is stronger now that ever because they have fought borg tech in Nero's ship and they also have Spock Prime's amazing brain full of knowledge of the future.

No I'm saying Vulcan is a major planet in the Federation. Its reasonable to assume that lot of the Federation's technological advances come from the Vulcan Science Institute. Since all invididual member military forces are combined into Starfleet, Vulcan most likely contributes a lot of resources, manpower, technology to Starfleet.

Even you don't see Vulcan starships fighting against the Dominion, you do see Federation starships that are manned by Vulcan crews. USS Hera, USS Intrepid and USS Tekumbra, for example.

Kirk may still defeat the whale probe, or blow up the Romulan Bird of Prey in Balance of Terror. I'm just saying, the Federation has got to be much weaker than the original timeline. Sooner or later one of those enemies are going to defeat the Federation. They almost did in the original timeline when the Federation was at full strength. Now they are going to have to fight all those same enemies with one of its most important members missing.

 

[Ryan8bit]

Vulcan had a reputation for a good economy, decent defense force, and great science. As far as the Federation's economy goes, they probably contributed as much as, if not more than, Earth. Even if it only made up 5% of the total economy of the Federation, that would still be a big hit when it comes to the life or death moments in various wars.

But also don't forget that a large fleet of Klingons was destroyed. It seems like the Alpha and Beta quadrants are more ripe for the Romulans to invade instead.

 

[RoJoHen]

Vulcan had a reputation for a good economy, decent defense force, and great science. As far as the Federation's economy goes, they probably contributed as much as, if not more than, Earth. Even if it only made up 5% of the total economy of the Federation, that would still be a big hit when it comes to the life or death moments in various wars.

But also don't forget that a large fleet of Klingons was destroyed. It seems like the Alpha and Beta quadrants are more ripe for the Romulans to invade instead.

This new timeline does open up the possibility for the Romulans to be a major villain, which is something we've all wanted to see on the big screen for quite some time.

 

[Prydonian]

In this alternate timeline, Vger will approach Earth in search of its creator . . . and fall into the black hole that swallowed the Narada. Earth is saved!

A decade and a bit later, the Probe will approach Earth in search of whales . . . and fall into the black hole. Earth is saved!

Eventually, someone at Starfleet Command will go "Hmm! I think we might be onto something here . . . "

Almost a century later, a Borg cube will approach Earth to assimilate its population. It will find a giant sign in space proclaiming "WARNING: CONSTRUCTION AHEAD. PLEASE FOLLOW ALTERNATE ROUTE." Being the law-abiding chaps that they are, the Borg will take the recommended diversion . . . and fall into the black hole. Earth is saved!

 

[Ryan8bit]

This new timeline does open up the possibility for the Romulans to be a major villain, which is something we've all wanted to see on the big screen for quite some time.

The only thing is that we need a really good Romulan adversary. Someone cold and calculating. Passionate, yet somewhat logical. Someone we can empathize with, yet hate at the same time. I know JJ Abrams and Co. are capable of this.

 

[RoJoHen]

Depending on how long Old Spock lives, he might just see V'Ger or the Probe or whatever coming and say, "Oh, yeah, that Probe. It actually want to talk to some whales. So go get some before it causes any real damage."

Or maybe Spock will just go back in time on his own and collect some whales, dump them in the harbor when nobody is looking, and then just go about his business.

 

[Kane_Steel]

This is why Spock should unite the Vulcan survivors with Romulus in the sequel..

and have Romulus in an alliance with the Federation in this timeline..

It would even things out and make a bitter enemy of the Klingons.

 

[Docbrown777]

All of this is counterbalanced with the fact that old Spock now lives in this timeline. He needs to start giving up all kinds of scientific and militaristic knowledge to this timeline's Federation.

If he doesn't then I say we give him a brain slug. Then he'll start singing!

 

[Maxillius]

This new timeline does open up the possibility for the Romulans to be a major villain, which is something we've all wanted to see on the big screen for quite some time.

The only thing is that we need a really good Romulan adversary. Someone cold and calculating. Passionate, yet somewhat logical. Someone we can empathize with, yet hate at the same time. I know JJ Abrams and Co. are capable of this.

But for the love of God, lose the Shinzon actor's phone number!


"The Balance of Terror" would make an AWESOME rework for the next movie!

 

[Cyke101]

I think the Whale Probe is gonna fuck us over.

I'm pretty sure that when the drill fell into the Bay, that it killed the last two humpback whales on Earth. Gee, thanks nuSpock!

(By the way, can I just call him Z-Spock?)

 

[Hartzilla2007]

In this alternate timeline, Vger will approach Earth in search of its creator . . . and fall into the black hole that swallowed the Narada. Earth is saved!

A decade and a bit later, the Probe will approach Earth in search of whales . . . and fall into the black hole. Earth is saved!

Eventually, someone at Starfleet Command will go "Hmm! I think we might be onto something here . . . "

Almost a century later, a Borg cube will approach Earth to assimilate its population. It will find a giant sign in space proclaiming "WARNING: CONSTRUCTION AHEAD. PLEASE FOLLOW ALTERNATE ROUTE." Being the law-abiding chaps that they are, the Borg will take the recommended diversion . . . and fall into the black hole. Earth is saved!

And interestingly enough not a bad idea.

 

[USS Triumphant]

If anything, it might make the Federation different. Not stronger, not weaker... Just different. Less rigid, perhaps?

Not to mention that Vulcan may have been a big influence on the overall economy of the Federation, driving it toward the socialism we saw in TNG. "The needs of the many..." sounds a lot like "...to each according to his need", after all. A more capitalistic future for the Federation may result from Vulcan's demise - and maybe an alliance with the Ferengi!

Almost a century later, a Borg cube will approach Earth to assimilate its population. It will find a giant sign in space proclaiming "WARNING: CONSTRUCTION AHEAD. PLEASE FOLLOW ALTERNATE ROUTE." Being the law-abiding chaps that they are, the Borg will take the recommended diversion . . . and fall into the black hole. Earth is saved!