My Ship chart.....

[Professor Moriarty]

Jep, I hate to break it to you but your length of 295 meters for the alternate timeline Enterprise is way off. According to the official Experience the Enterprise website, the "Nero altered timeline" Enterprise is 2,500 feet in length, which works out to 762 meters.

 

[Santaman]

^^ wtf? thats Ent-D/E size

 

[Praetor]

WTF indeed.

 

[jep316]

While I really didn't want to get into the size debate about the new Enterprise..I have to say that the ideal that it's over 700 meters is just silly..if you look at the windows of the saucer rim and docking ports you'll see that it matches those with the refit..now I know there's problems with the over large shuttle bay internals and the massive engine room but the external shots of the ship clearly seem to suggest that it's no bigger than the TOS-Prime Enterprise or TMP-Prime refit.

 

[CTM]

While I really didn't want to get into the size debate about the new Enterprise..I have to say that the ideal that it's over 700 meters is just silly..if you look at the windows of the saucer rim and docking ports you'll see that it matches those with the refit..now I know there's problems with the over large shuttle bay internals and the massive engine room but the external shots of the ship clearly seem to suggest that it's no bigger than the TOS-Prime Enterprise or TMP-Prime refit.

So, we're talking Time Lord Technology? I missed the part in the movie where Dr. Who was involved.

 

[therealfoxbat]

Jep, I hate to break it to you but your length of 295 meters for the alternate timeline Enterprise is way off. According to the official Experience the Enterprise website, the "Nero altered timeline" Enterprise is 2,500 feet in length, which works out to 762 meters.

It's not way off. It's only slightly off...

Based on careful observations of the model and a BUNCH of math, I have come to the conclusion that the new Enterprise is slightly smaller that the TOS Enterprise that it would logically be refitted into, just as the TOS Enterprise is slightly smaller than its TMP refit...

For those who care, my final result is a length of 273.4 meters...

 

[NCC-1701-B]

I went for slightly bigger than the refit version. Anyway, i cant see the chart

 

[Professor Moriarty]

Jep, I hate to break it to you but your length of 295 meters for the alternate timeline Enterprise is way off. According to the official Experience the Enterprise website, the "Nero altered timeline" Enterprise is 2,500 feet in length, which works out to 762 meters.

It's not way off. It's only slightly off...

Based on careful observations of the model and a BUNCH of math, I have come to the conclusion that the new Enterprise is slightly smaller that the TOS Enterprise that it would logically be refitted into, just as the TOS Enterprise is slightly smaller than its TMP refit...

For those who care, my final result is a length of 273.4 meters...

As my eighth grade algebra teacher Mrs. Hamner used to scold me, please show your work!

Meanwhile, I'll show mine:

 

[Albertese]

Yep. I thought it'd be huge.

--Alex

 

[Hyperspace05]

As my eighth grade algebra teacher Mrs. Hamner used to scold me, please show your work!

Meanwhile, I'll show mine:

First show that the cross-section you are using in your sizing argunent is correct and based on an official side view.

 

[therealfoxbat]

As my eighth grade algebra teacher Mrs. Hamner used to scold me, please show your work!

Meanwhile, I'll show mine:

First show that the cross-section you are using in your sizing argunent is correct and based on an official side view.

Greetings, Earthlings...

Been without internet for a week or so...

Instead of a drawing, I decided to start with photos of the model. The Enterprise Project at www.startrekmovie.com has the best ones I could find. The first photo of Number 23 is the closest to an ortho side view, even though it's painted gloss black with Jim Lee art across the top of the saucer hull...

I also decided to work with the premise that, if the storyline of the new movie had not involved changing history, this design would still be the original configuration of the Constitution class, which would have been refitted to the slightly-larger TOS version, just as the TOS Enterprise was itself refitted to the again slightly-larger TMP version...

(I suppose this now makes the TOS Enterprise the Constitution Refit and the TMP Enterprise the Constitution Second Refit...)

One thing I have found is Federation ships (and by extension the ships of other races whose members are portrayed on screen by humans wearing various forms of latex makeup on their faces) seem to have a Standard Deck Height, which remains consistent through most of Star Trek history. According to official sources (video footage and the Star Trek Encyclopedia), I have been able to confirm the number of decks some ships have, as well as the height of the inhabited areas (the hull, not including warp nacelles and other protruding equipment like sensor instrument domes) of those ships...

The Constitution class has 21 decks with a total deck height of 68.9 meters. Average deck height is 3.281 meters.

The Galaxy class has 42 decks with a total deck height of 137.5 meters. Average deck height is 3.274 meters.

The Sovereign class has 24 decks with a total deck height of 78.6 meters. Average deck height is 3.275 meters.

The average of these is 3.277 meters, or about 10 feet 9 inches.

In this photo I screen captured, the bridge superstructure is one Standard Deck (14 pixels equals 3.277 meters) and the outer rim of the saucer hull is two Standard Decks (28 pixels equals 6.554 meters). At this scale, the photo's length of 1168 pixels works out to 273.395 meters, which I rounded off to 273.4 meters (15.2 meters or about 50 feet shorter than the TOS Enterprise).

I realize this would make the shuttle bay doors something like 18 feet high. That's just another one of the many MANY wonderful inconsistencies we have all come to know and love from Star Trek which have kept debates like this going on for decades...

Yep. I thought it'd be huge.

--Alex

273.4 meters works out to 897 feet. That's 25 feet longer than an Essex class aircraft carrier and 10 feet longer than an Iowa class battleship. Trust me... Those things ARE huge...

 

[GilmourD]

Foxbat, your math makes a lot of sense to me.

I think what may throw a wrench in the works for the overall length is that the saucer is pushed back in relation to the secondary hull. The neck connects to the saucer at about the same spot as it always has but it's pushed back on the secondary hull (or the secondary hull is pushed forward, if you want to look at it that way). I think that would give you the same overall ship with a shorter total length.

 

[Gepard]

Unfortunately, Fox, you're placing the bridge too high on the new ship--it's not inside the structure we usually think of as the bridge dome any more, but in the flat, pancake-like level underneath. The window on that part of the hull for the bridge viewscreen is 26' wide inside the frame on the interior set, and ~29' wide around the frame on the exterior, when the ship is scaled to the official length of 700 meters--there's just no way it would work on an under-300 meter ship. Plus there's visual evidence in the film that the shuttlebay is large enough to fit the new huge shuttlecraft stacked three high, and that the same shuttlecraft are little bigger than the (now much larger) phaser embankments on the saucer.

There's been an ongoing discussion (or argument, really) in the Trek XI forum on the subject. Check out posts by DiSiLLUSiON midway through the thread--he puts forward a very thorough argument for a 700 meter Enterprise. That's also is also the official size put out by Paramount, and the upcoming 1/2500th scale model kit is going to be 12" long, which gives us a 2500-foot ship. Heck, even Bernd over at Ex-Astris, who has been very hostile to the larger size, has finally conceded the point--though he's still refusing to use the official measurements on his site.

It might also be worth looking at the comments on the DrexFiles post on the subjct, as well. A lot of the forum regulars chimed in over there. (Note that the chart in the post got the size of the Battlestar Galactica wrong.)

 

[jep316]

I'm still keeping it the size I have it on my chart..hell by the next movie they'll be claiming its no bigger than a Runabout.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Jep, I hate to break it to you but your length of 295 meters for the alternate timeline Enterprise is way off. According to the official Experience the Enterprise website, the "Nero altered timeline" Enterprise is 2,500 feet in length, which works out to 762 meters.

It's not way off. It's only slightly off...

Based on careful observations of the model and a BUNCH of math, I have come to the conclusion that the new Enterprise is slightly smaller that the TOS Enterprise that it would logically be refitted into, just as the TOS Enterprise is slightly smaller than its TMP refit...

For those who care, my final result is a length of 273.4 meters...

As my eighth grade algebra teacher Mrs. Hamner used to scold me, please show your work!

Meanwhile, I'll show mine:

Very good work, Professor!

By contrast... if this ship were TOS-ish in size, you could barely fit ONE "nuShuttle" inside that bay... scraping the walls in the process, I'm sure.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

Thank you. The overwhelming preponderance of evidence both on-screen and from interviews with the makers of Star Trek would seem to indicate that the Enterprise in this timeline is 2,000 feet in length.

 

[JayTheTrekkie]

Great update on the chart Jep!

 

[137th Gebirg]

John Eaves recently posted what appears to be official information from ILM (dated June 9) w/ a size comparison against the E-E. It definitely seems to have settled in the 700+ meter range - 2357 feet long - 718.413 m to be precise. Yep, she's big.

http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/06/10/new-ship-scales-revealed/

 

[SicOne]

jep316, concerning ship lengths, what sources are you using?

 

[jep316]

jep316, concerning ship lengths, what sources are you using?

I used Ex-astris-scientia site for most of my info..I know the guy isn't a favorite to a lot of people here but most of his info is correct...as for the Nu Enterprise he's revised it to 302m which I'll scale mine up to shortly..because I'm still in the camp that dosen't believe it's bigger than the Enterprise-D.