Visual changes...the cause... The destrucion of the Kelvin?

[gastrof]

Does it seem to those of you who've seen the film that changes in the Enterprise's design and the changes in phasers, tricorders, communicators, etc...

These changes all came as a result of the destruction of the Kelvin and Federation/Starfleet tech being taken in a different direction as a result, whatever the specific reason?

 

[Brent]

no, cause the ship dissapeared after that, it had no affect on technology

 

[nx1701g]

no, cause the ship dissapeared after that, it had no affect on technology

The loss of the Kelvin would. Most likely sensor logs and accounts from the survivors could account for a more militaristic development in the future rather than what we had in the original universe. Even though the Narada was gone it didn't mean that it wouldn't come back, its just that they couldn't compete with the Narada.

 

[Brent]

no, cause the ship dissapeared after that, it had no affect on technology

The loss of the Kelvin would. Most likely sensor logs and accounts from the survivors could account for a more militaristic development in the future rather than what we had in the original universe.

after that one battle of which the ship was never seen from or heard of again? the report was probably just filled away and life went on normally

 

[Samurai8472]

The idea that Nero sat and did nothing for 25 years was "huh?"

 

[nx1701g]

no, cause the ship dissapeared after that, it had no affect on technology

The loss of the Kelvin would. Most likely sensor logs and accounts from the survivors could account for a more militaristic development in the future rather than what we had in the original universe.

after that one battle of which the ship was never seen from or heard of again? the report was probably just filled away and life went on normally

A ship appears out of no where, manages to destroy a Federation ship (cutting through its shields like they weren't even there), and kills almost the entire crew. I think that'd be a bit more focused on than simply being tossed away in a file cabinet. Pike even did his disseration on the loss of the Kelvin after all.

 

[Brent]

But I really doubt they changed their focus on technology and somehow made things more advanced than they were supposed to be, I just don't see it. It isn't like they had a piece of the ship to study and learn from.

 

[nx1701g]

But I really doubt they changed their focus on technology and somehow made things more advanced than they were supposed to be, I just don't see it. It isn't like they had a piece of the ship to study and learn from.

Compare the classic Enterprise and the nuEnterprise. Many of the systems of the nuEnterprise seem to have more in common with the TMP Enterprise than the TOS one. The phaser designs were more like TMP (replacing the ones from TOS most likely), the Deflector/Sensor Dish was more like the one from TMP. Trust me the risk of a more powerful enemy would make anyone try to strengthen themselves.

 

[gastrof]

after that one battle of which the ship was never seen from or heard of again? the report was probably just filled away and life went on normally

You don't think that a mysterious alien ship showing up and basically running over a powerful Federation starship like a steamroller would run over a creampuff wouldn't cause the techie boys to sit up and take notice?

Plus, if not that event, then what WOULD have caused the Enterprise and other tech stuff to look different than we know it "should have"?

But I really doubt they changed their focus on technology and somehow made things more advanced than they were supposed to be, I just don't see it. It isn't like they had a piece of the ship to study and learn from.

No.

Not saying the nu-Enterprise was based on future-tech taken from Nero's ship.

Just saying that with the Kelvin being clobbered with such ease, that more effort and work went into stuff being developed after that.

 

[Penhall99]

Does it seem to those of you who've seen the film that changes in the Enterprise's design and the changes in phasers, tricorders, communicators, etc...

These changes all came as a result of the destruction of the Kelvin and Federation/Starfleet tech being taken in a different direction as a result, whatever the specific reason?

Yeah, those are my thoughts. Maybe some of the people who died on the Kelvin were actually gonna go on to help design the enterprise or other Trek technology, and since they died, others ended up doing the designs, hence the changes....

 

[ncc71877]

Well, the fact that they knew the Narada was Romulan. Starfleet would have to assume that the Romulans have made some giant tech leaps, and try to keep up as best they can.

FWIW.
ncc71877

 

[gastrof]

A repeat question from a few days ago...

Can we attribute all the differences we saw, including the Enterprise, on the destruction of the Kelvin?

Is it possible that even the Kelvin was far too different than it should have been, having things that differ from the known timeline in ways that can't be blamed on Nero, since he was only there during the Kelvin's final moments?

DID Nero cause all the timeline differences?

Were there differences before he even arrived?

Could all the differences over the next 25 years (after the Kelvin was destroyed), embodied in the Enterprise, uniforms, etc., be the result of Nero's actions, or could something else be involved?

I'm just wondering here, "Is this really the same reality as the one we've known, or was this one different even before Nero arrived in the past?"

What do YOU think?

 

[Nomad8324]

Re: A repeat question from a few days ago...

There is more to it then that.

Dead people who now wont have children.
Children that now don't have parents altering how grew up.
People that died who didn't get to invent something or whose descendants didn't get to invent something.
New children from new relationships that otherwise wouldn't have existed.
Altered events from different people being in different places.

I could go on but I trust you get the idea.

Who knows maybe this Alternate reality wasn't a carbon copy before nero arrived.

Not to mention what other changes nero was making during those 25 years.

 

[Psion]

Re: A repeat question from a few days ago...

This one was different from the start. The Narada didn't just go backwards in time, it went sideways in realities. But that's a good thing, it allows the producers to re-conceptualize everything and make Trek fresh again. I wish they'd gone farther in this movie, introducing concepts like extended human lifespans, cyber-enhanced humans (the motorcycle cop maybe?), post-Singularity politics, etc. I love Trek Prime and would continue to watch new work done there until I ran out of anti-agathic therapy options, but it's based on concepts from sci-fi literature of the 1950s. I'd like to see an update that includes concepts that have developed in the fifty years since then.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Re: A repeat question from a few days ago...

This one was different from the start. The Narada didn't just go backwards in time, it went sideways in realities.

I'd like to think that as well; it means they don't have to adhere to canon for any of the character's histories.

 

[gastrof]

Re: A repeat question from a few days ago...

Thanks guys.

The more I've thought about this, the more I've realized that's the only sensible explanation.

The only thing I can't figure is why Spock Prime hasn't come up with that idea (that he and Nero are in the wrong reality).

What I'm suspecting is that even HE wasn't the "real thing".

He was actually the older Spock of the nu-Trek reality.

If we accept this line of thinking, tho', then according to Countdown, nu-Trek's 24th century is identical (well...mostly, I suppose) to the Picard era we already know.

This means that, for the most part, the other Trek series we know are still pretty much intact.

Picard must have visited Sarek on the new Vulcan homeworld, Tuvok's family must have already been living on the Vulcanis colony when Vulcan was destroyed, etc.

Nothing that'd make the 24th century shows invalid or totally impossible has happened. I'm not minimizing the loss of both Vulcan and Amanda (or any other loss), but in spite of it all, it seems in this nu-Trek reality, the 24th century is still essentially as we know it.

Makes the transition a bit easier to handle, I guess?

 

[adamisme]

Re: A repeat question from a few days ago...

its obvious that the changes took place from the moment the Kelvin was destroyed, it would be interesting if we could get some definite timeline from that point until the original series and beyond

 

[gastrof]

Re: A repeat question from a few days ago...

ADAMISME-

What do you see that suggests no differences were present already when Nero emerged from the time vortex?

As you'll note above, the rest of us have gotten the feeling (in my case, it had to do with the tech and look of the Kelvin) that this was NOT the past of the Trek universe we know, but rather something a bit different.

Why do you feel the opposite? What makes you say there were NO apparent differences until Nero? (Also, what affect would Nero's destroying of the Kelvin have had on Federation tech going a slightly different route in the new timeline, which is pretty obvious from the look of the Enterprise and equipment?)

 

[Phily B]

Re: A repeat question from a few days ago...

Blame Enterprise.

 

[Ovation]

Going by what the writers intended--the divergence happened from the moment the Narada interacted with its past. We have NO onscreen evidence to contradict anything about the Kelvin--that era has not been explored. So there is no need to explain anything away about the Kelvin. It really isn't more complex than that.