NuEnterprise = Refit? [mild spoilers]

[ShinRa Actual]

Just something I've been mulling over;

The commonly assumed building background for the 1701 is being built at (or over) San Francisco in 2245; The new movie depicts it in the yards in 2255 (if my memory and math skills are hold up) in Iowa, and 'ready for launch' 3 or so years later.

Any one else think a good deal of continuity can be salvaged by assuming the new ship is a refit of the more familiar 1701, rather than being delayed for a decade? Not just the technical details, but that'd also preserve some of the older notions involving Captain April and the earlier missions (albiet, no Kirks involved).

 

[nx1701g]

Could question, though from the level of work being done on the ship I think that its more along the lines of a fresh build. Plus Pike mentions it's been freshly christened.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

I believe that the build delay is enough to justify the change in appearance. The build delay could concievably be the result of a design delay (perhaps the original Connie design was heavily related to whatever design the Kelvin was and they had an "oh shit" moment when it got pwnd?).

The design certainly seems to have a different mission than the 1701 Prime. The Nu1701 has a larger saucer and larger nacelles, suggesting a much larger crew compliment and significantly different engines (whether they're superior or not... isn't quite clear). The armament seems to be significantly different as well, from what I can tell.

 

[ShinRa Actual]

Could question, though from the level of work being done on the ship I think that its more along the lines of a fresh build. Plus Pike mentions it's been freshly christened.

The level of work done in this refit wouldn't be much different from the amount of work done for TMP, either, otherwise I'd agree. Pike's offhand comment about not being christened yet is inconclusive, really; there have been instances where ships that've been modified enough get rechristened (this is going back a century or two).

I believe that the build delay is enough to justify the change in appearance. The build delay could concievably be the result of a design delay (perhaps the original Connie design was heavily related to whatever design the Kelvin was and they had an "oh shit" moment when it got pwnd?).

The design certainly seems to have a different mission than the 1701 Prime. The Nu1701 has a larger saucer and larger nacelles, suggesting a much larger crew compliment and significantly different engines (whether they're superior or not... isn't quite clear). The armament seems to be significantly different as well, from what I can tell.

The other ships that leave Spacedock with the Enterprise all seem to be Kelvin kitbashes, so I don't think I can buy a Block obsolecence thing (Which brings up another nagging question...names like "Farragut" and "Hood" are thrown around, but there doesn't seem to be anything else resembling another Constitution in that task force...). Plus the Constitution was still a few years from being built and presumably having more advanced tech than the Kelvin would've regardless.

The weapons outfit reminded me a lot of TWoK with the phasers being more pulse than the constant streams from TOS and TNG. So different from TOS, definately...but maybe not that different from the movies. And various design elements (almost the whole saucer, the neck torpedo tubes) are very much in line with the TMP refit.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

So it's an intermediate design that never got built in the Prime Universe. Problem solved, brilliant, let's go grab a sandwich.

 

[USS KG5]

names like "Farragut" and "Hood" are thrown around, but there doesn't seem to be anything else resembling another Constitution in that task force...).

Well seeing as it all got blown up, their replacements could easily be in the same class as Enterprise.

 

[bullethead]

Which brings up another nagging question...names like "Farragut" and "Hood" are thrown around, but there doesn't seem to be anything else resembling another Constitution in that task force...

Was the Farragut ever seen on screen as a Constitution? I know the Hood was, but I figure JJ or someone on the production crew figured that the number (16--) meant it was an older ship, so they used one of the Kelvin derivatives for that ship. I must admit, I would've liked to see a Kelvin kitbash in the shape of a TOS Constitution as one of those ships, but I guess that would've been too obvious or something.

 

[Gagarin]

So it's an intermediate design that never got built in the Prime Universe. Problem solved, brilliant, let's go grab a sandwich.

YES! Seriosuly, move on, have a Coke and a smile.

Seriously, lay off the refit stuff, please.
It's a new version of Star Trek. It's Star Trek, but not as we know it.

Everyone's head will hurt less.

 

[nx1701g]

Which brings up another nagging question...names like "Farragut" and "Hood" are thrown around, but there doesn't seem to be anything else resembling another Constitution in that task force...

Was the Farragut ever seen on screen as a Constitution? I know the Hood was, but I figure JJ or someone on the production crew figured that the number (16--) meant it was an older ship, so they used one of the Kelvin derivatives for that ship. I must admit, I would've liked to see a Kelvin kitbash in the shape of a TOS Constitution as one of those ships, but I guess that would've been too obvious or something.

The ships that went with the Enterprise (Farragut, Hood, Truman, Walcott) were docked at Starbase. We didn't see any other Constitutions.

 

[miraclefan]

So it's an intermediate design that never got built in the Prime Universe. Problem solved, brilliant, let's go grab a sandwich.

YES! Seriosuly, move on, have a Coke and a smile.

Seriously, lay off the refit stuff, please.
It's a new version of Star Trek. It's Star Trek, but not as we know it.

Everyone's head will hurt less.

I'm a diet PEPSI & Hot Pockets man myself!

 

[Tomalak]

So it's an intermediate design that never got built in the Prime Universe. Problem solved, brilliant, let's go grab a sandwich.

YES! Seriosuly, move on, have a Coke and a smile.

Seriously, lay off the refit stuff, please.
It's a new version of Star Trek. It's Star Trek, but not as we know it.

Everyone's head will hurt less.

That's probably for the best. Nero and old Spock didn't just go back in time, they went to a different parallel universe, where the tech seems to be quite different. The same people, the same races exist, but it's different.

I'm of the opinion that virtually all cases of time travel result in new splinter realities. For example, 'Enterprise' is a result of the Borg and the Enterprise-E going back in 'First Contact', and changing Cochrane - hence no mention of the NX-01 in previous series.

 

[Shaw]

The new movie depicts it in the yards in 2255 (if my memory and math skills are hold up) in Iowa, and 'ready for launch' 3 or so years later.

I've only seen the movie once, but how do we know that the ship being constructed in Iowa is the Enterprise? It could just be another ship like the Enterprise while the Enterprise is in orbit waiting for Pike to return.

And if it is the Enterprise, what evidence is there that it was being launched three years later? I don't recall anything explicitly stating that any of the ships receiving cadets were just being launched, and by Uhura's reaction to being assigned to the Farragut, I got the impression that (beyond wanting to be near Spock) that the Enterprise already had a reputation for excellence.

 

[Tomalak]

I only saw it once too, but I'm pretty sure you could see "NCC-1701" as the shuttle flew past.

She was definately brand new. Pike talks about delaying the christening ceremony.

 

[Falconfire]

The new movie depicts it in the yards in 2255 (if my memory and math skills are hold up) in Iowa, and 'ready for launch' 3 or so years later.

I've only seen the movie once, but how do we know that the ship being constructed in Iowa is the Enterprise? It could just be another ship like the Enterprise while the Enterprise is in orbit waiting for Pike to return.

And if it is the Enterprise, what evidence is there that it was being launched three years later? I don't recall anything explicitly stating that any of the ships receiving cadets were just being launched, and by Uhura's reaction to being assigned to the Farragut, I got the impression that (beyond wanting to be near Spock) that the Enterprise already had a reputation for excellence.

Your right there is no evidence (beyond the writers claiming it is) that the ship IS the Enterprise, but its quite clear that the Enterprise is brand spanking new in the movie.

Pike specifically states that her christening will have to be that we all make it back safe, meaning she was not christened yet and thus brand new.

Also Scotty makes mention of the Enterprise as shes been finally launched as a question. Given he has been stuck at Delta Vega for only 6 months at that point, it means the ship had been launched at some point prior to Kirk and Spock meeting him but after Starfleet shitcanned him to the planet for vaporizing beagles.

The other ships may have been of older classes (and given that two where the Farugut and the Hood, they likely where older class ships) but its quite clear that not only has the Enterprise only JUST launched, but she is now considered the flagship of the fleet.

 

[TIN_MAN]

Well, I haven't seen the new movie yet, so maybe I shouldn't offer an opinion, but I will anyway. Didn't any "parallel universe(s)" split off with the attack on, and destruction of, the Kelvin? Only the history before that should be shared between the two (or more?) time-lines, right?

 

[Tomalak]

Well, I haven't seen the new movie yet, so maybe I shouldn't offer an opinion, but I will anyway. Didn't any "parallel universe(s)" split off with the attack on, and destruction of, the Kelvin? Only the history before that should be shared between the two (or more?) time-lines, right?

So Uhura theorised. It doesn't mean she's right!

 

[Lonemagpie]

I only saw it once too, but I'm pretty sure you could see "NCC-1701" as the shuttle flew past.

She was definately brand new. Pike talks about delaying the christening ceremony.

That's right- you can see the registry number on the nacelle as the Academy shuttle flies past, just as the picture's fading out.

And it's really stupid, cos what service puts the markings on before the sodding hull is actually complete?

 

[Timo]

The writers really went out of their way to establish that the Enterprise was a new ship: Pike comments on the christening ceremony, Scotty drools all over this novelty item, and there's even talk about the Enterprise being the Fleet's new flagship.

Then again, very similar things were said of the Enterprise in ST:TMP. Decker qualified her with "almost entirely new", but a lot of that movie was devoted to bragging about how this ship was the newest news, the best of the best, untested, off to a pre-maiden voyage. Familiar dialogue here...

So despite the best efforts of the STXI writers, the option definitely exists that NCC-1701 was built in San Francisco in the early 2240s (her keel having been laid so early on that Nero's 2233 antics had no effect on that development), then taken down to the Riverside, Iowa yards, torn down and rebuilt in the late 2250s.

The lack of sightings of TOS-style Constitution class vessels during the fleet launch scene is of course no proof one way or another - as TOS clearly established that ships of this class were few and far in between. Earth might not have hosted a single example during this emergency, especially since it was told again and again that the main Starfleet forces were doing something more important elsewhere, thereby justifying the launch of old, possibly second-rate ships with almost all-cadet crews.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Ronald Held]

This is a parallel universe cause by Nero.this Enterprise has its maiden flight in 2258, versus the 2245 in the "prime" universe.

 

[Tigger]

...and by Uhura's reaction to being assigned to the Farragut, I got the impression that (beyond wanting to be near Spock) that the Enterprise already had a reputation for excellence.

I think it was more a "prestige posting" as the Federation's newest flagship, just as the Enterprise D was in her time. So Uhura, being the "best of the best" in her specialty, naturally assumed she would be assigned to the "best of the best" ship in the fleet - the newly-launched Enterprise.