Now that I think about it, I would have added more starship porn.
Definitely, scenes of the Narada breaking Earth's & Vulcan's defenses.
Definitely, scenes of the Narada breaking Earth's & Vulcan's defenses.
*SPOILERS* If you could change one thing about the film...
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I agree. The film was presentable until the fleet leaves Earth to save Vulcan. Then it just seemed to get really disjointed for silly reasons....Sulu forgetting how to take a starship out of dock? I know he is supposed to be younger...but come on.
The segments with their arriving at Vulcan were not done well at all. There should have more action in orbit of Vulcan. As you watched the film you didn't get the impression Vulcan had been able to put up much of a defense. I know when the Enterprise arrives there is countless debris in orbit, but it would have been much more emotionally rewarding to see some kind of defense of the planet by its inhabitants. And then the destruction of Vulcan was just lackluster. It was much more gripping in the ads than in the movie.
I would totally revamp the Spock Prime story elements. Having that amount of plot information conveyed in a mindmeld between two guys from different univereses randomly brought together on the same planet was just dumb. I liked the references to Trek Prime but the way it was done in this film was very poor.
I would also redo the entire ending, give Nero's approach to Earth much more tension. You didn't get the impression Earth was ever really threatened.
Finally, Nero should have been a major character. As it was he didn't get much more screen time than any of the Romulans who didn't say a word. A good villian makes a great story.....Nero was just there.
Ease up on the kinetic editing a bit. At times I just really wanted to take a look at the new sets, fxs shots, etc and couldn't.
Well, that's what the 2nd (and 3rd, 4th, 5th and so on) viewing is for on blu-ray.
I'd have to add in a second about the Spock/Uhura romance. I think it would have worked if they hadn't been kissing all the time. 
That first time Uhura kisses Spock, he should have just been standing there, with no reaction.
That first time Uhura kisses Spock, he should have just been standing there, with no reaction.
You are right, they should have had sex. But then the movie would get a higher PG rating.I'd have to add in a second about the Spock/Uhura romance. I think it would have worked if they hadn't been kissing all the time.
-Saved Vulcan.
-The the 10-20 seconds necessary to mention Nero's attack on the Kelvin made Starfleet rethink the safety its orbital ship yards which caused the Enterprise to be delayed and moved from the San Fran fleet yards to a ground site in Washington County outside of Riverside.
-I would have ended the movie with Kirk being assigned to the Farragut (if not destroyed) or Republic with (still captain) Pike telling him to look him up in five years. I'm not a fan of the cadet to captain thing.
-The the 10-20 seconds necessary to mention Nero's attack on the Kelvin made Starfleet rethink the safety its orbital ship yards which caused the Enterprise to be delayed and moved from the San Fran fleet yards to a ground site in Washington County outside of Riverside.
-I would have ended the movie with Kirk being assigned to the Farragut (if not destroyed) or Republic with (still captain) Pike telling him to look him up in five years. I'm not a fan of the cadet to captain thing.
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I would give Dr. McCoy more screen time.
There are too many things . . .
I so desperately wanted to leave the theatre last night head over heels in love with this film, but I did not. It was thrilling, well crafted, and reverent of all things Trek – I really loved it, but, at the same time there is this strange, I don’t know, sadness or conflict or something going on in me emotionally about what was there on the screen and what it means to me as a fan of that fictional universe. I think that there is just a lot there to digest and it may take a second viewing to really identify what’s eating at me about this – or to discover I really am in love with this iteration of Trek.
I think I would eliminate the time travel aspect and focus on making this great revenge picture fit within the established continuity. Now, before everyone leaps on me, I am not one to adhere strictly to “canon” and can see the merits of bending things to suit the point of the story. Trek has done it time and again – violating its own continuity – without any real determinant to the overall “universe” for the sake of conveying an excellent story about these characters and places we love so much. I believe there is a way this could have maintained all of the major plot points and incidents without the time travel and destruction of Vulcan.
I have to think about this more . . . which is good, because the last Trek film I saw I wanted to forget as soon as I left the theatre . . .
I so desperately wanted to leave the theatre last night head over heels in love with this film, but I did not. It was thrilling, well crafted, and reverent of all things Trek – I really loved it, but, at the same time there is this strange, I don’t know, sadness or conflict or something going on in me emotionally about what was there on the screen and what it means to me as a fan of that fictional universe. I think that there is just a lot there to digest and it may take a second viewing to really identify what’s eating at me about this – or to discover I really am in love with this iteration of Trek.
I think I would eliminate the time travel aspect and focus on making this great revenge picture fit within the established continuity. Now, before everyone leaps on me, I am not one to adhere strictly to “canon” and can see the merits of bending things to suit the point of the story. Trek has done it time and again – violating its own continuity – without any real determinant to the overall “universe” for the sake of conveying an excellent story about these characters and places we love so much. I believe there is a way this could have maintained all of the major plot points and incidents without the time travel and destruction of Vulcan.
I have to think about this more . . . which is good, because the last Trek film I saw I wanted to forget as soon as I left the theatre . . .
It seems that the best Trek movies (TWOK, FC, Trek XI) and the one with the most unused potential (NEM) involved either the antagonist(s) or the protagonist(s) blinded by the rage of a personal vendetta and thirst for revenge.
I would not have saved Vulcan. The destruction of Vulcan is what makes this movie unique and allows us to examine these characters from the start of a whole new timeline-- with a rough, Vulcan diaspora being rebuilt from scratch. It changes everything.
I would have kept Pike as Captain.
Knee jerk reaction- save Vulcan, but that was the most emotional part of the movie. Maybe it could have only been partly destroyed...with more time to get people to safety? And I would have saved Amanda, too.
Knee jerk reaction- save Vulcan, but that was the most emotional part of the movie. Maybe it could have only been partly destroyed...with more time to get people to safety? And I would have saved Amanda, too.
1. Cast someone else as Nero. Bana just doesn't have the gravitas necessary to pull off such an empty role. We needed someone more in the league of Christopher Plummer, Malcolm McDowell, or F. Murray Abraham; a classically trained scenery chewer. Maybe Bill Nighy?
2. Make the time travel less accidental. It seemed like Nero & Spock just ended up in the past randomly.
2. Make the time travel less accidental. It seemed like Nero & Spock just ended up in the past randomly.
I agree with those saying Kirk as Captain was too fast. A promotion to Lt. would have been just fine (just as Nog had, for the most part, during the war), especially since Starfleet was at war with the Narada. I'm so sure that even with this huge achievement, he still has some nuances of command to learn, and Pike was written off wayyy too quickly for being the guy who essentially got Kirk to join Starfleet in the first place, as if Pike served his purpose and pfft, now he's gone.
(besides, seeing Pike in a classic TOS, post-Cage uniform was GREAT)
(besides, seeing Pike in a classic TOS, post-Cage uniform was GREAT)
I'd tinker with the final scenes. Instead of that big applause throwback to Star Trek VI, I'd have had Bones and Kirk flying back to San Francisco in a shuttle. McCoy would say: "So what did you think of your time on the Enterprise?" Kirk would respond while looking out a window with the ship reflection on it and say, "I think we haven't seen the last of it."
End movie and set up for number 2.
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