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Ebert.. "Star Trek" 2 and one half stars

I think Roger Ebert's great. I love Your Movie Sucks and Scorcese by Ebert. Especially in the former book he demonstrated his honesty and thoughtfulness as a critic in his opening essay comparing his experiences reviewing The Brown Bunny and Duece Bigelow: European Gigolo.

Though Ebert's always been fairly critical of Star Trek, his criticisms have been usually broad, but fair. With Nemesis he was generally sick of the "Sheilds down to 47%" type of dialogue and with Insurrection he thought the movie didn't have high enough stakes, that it was too much a typical episode of the series. With this movie his criticism is a general critique of the tropes that are Trek's stock in trade. Some of these issues, the "much of muchness" are being addressed directly by the filmmakers by shifting this to a tangent reality. The whole point of that is to make the movie accessible. And it seems to be working, because it's been getting an overwhelmingly positive response.

I'm going to see this on Saturday. I think I'll like it better Ebert did, because it's hard to be a fan of Trek and not be forgiving of its lapses in scientific logic that have been a part of its DNA since the beginning. I also have incredibly high hopes for the, probable, sequel. I think that once this world is set up, we can move on to something of The Dark Knight caliber, or at least Spider-man 2, or X2: X-Men United.
 
^^ Yeah, i figured he was one of those critics that also knew how to have fun. I would've guessed he'd give a 4/5.
 
Ebert is a HUGE live-action Star Wars fan, NOT Star Trek. If it's Star Wars, it's automatically at LEAST 3 stars (Return Of The Jedi) or more. I think ROTJ was the only one less than 3 1/2 stars IIRC.

OK, he totally dumped on Clone Wars, giving it maybe 1 1/2? I don't remember, but that was animated.

Anyway, if it's depressing, perverted or Martin S, automatically 4 stars. And let's not get going on CITIZEN KANE THE GREATEST MOVIE OF ALL TIME AND I HAVE TO REMIND YOU UNWASHED ABOUT THAT AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH!

No, not a fan of Ebert and I do love arthouse films.

Anyway, back to Trek: I think it's going to be great. If it's not? So what - maybe the next one will be. I loved all TOS cast films, flaws and all. I've also seen all the TNG films and was totally disappointed (I say this as a HUGE TNG fan), but hey, I'm excited about the new film, whether Roger loves it or not!
 
I like Ebert, always did, even when I didn't share his opinion on a film. He is fair and is a supporter of genre films. If he's not part of the crowd kissing this movie's ass, then don't insult him. He's had more years studying and reviewing films than anyone over at Ain't It Cool or Rotten Tomatoes. He's also pretty intelligent and well considered. If he missed a couple of plot points, well, he's been through a lot.

With films like this, the reviews are secondary. Look at Wolverine - it's getting crapped on but raking in the bucks.

I know many might be disappointed that this "Amazingly Great Trek Film" isn't getting 85 stars from each reviewer, but that's the way it goes. It doesn't make the review less valid because they find it's not as good as Citizen Kane or Wrath of Khan (yes, I had the balls to mention both in the same breath - lol).
 
I like Ebert, always did, even when I didn't share his opinion on a film. He is fair and is a supporter of genre films. If he's not part of the crowd kissing this movie's ass, then don't insult him. He's had more years studying and reviewing films than anyone over at Ain't It Cool or Rotten Tomatoes. He's also pretty intelligent and well considered. If he missed a couple of plot points, well, he's been through a lot.

With films like this, the reviews are secondary. Look at Wolverine - it's getting crapped on but raking in the bucks.

I know many might be disappointed that this "Amazingly Great Trek Film" isn't getting 85 stars from each reviewer, but that's the way it goes. It doesn't make the review less valid because they find it's not as good as Citizen Kane or Wrath of Khan (yes, I had the balls to mention both in the same breath - lol).

I like Ebert -- and his views most of the time -- but, as always, have to see the movie and form my own opinion. I've seen movies that have been trashed by critics and ended up liking them...sooo....
 
Ebert is a HUGE live-action Star Wars fan, NOT Star Trek. If it's Star Wars, it's automatically at LEAST 3 stars (Return Of The Jedi) or more. I think ROTJ was the only one less than 3 1/2 stars IIRC.

No, I'm pretty sure that's incorrect. For the original trilogy, I think he gave them all four stars. I think he did say that he thought RotJ wasn't quite as good as the other two, but still worth four stars. For the prequels, he actually gave Attack of the Clones just 2 stars. Menace and Sith were both either 3 or 3.5 stars....I don't remember which was which.
 
Ebert is a HUGE live-action Star Wars fan, NOT Star Trek. If it's Star Wars, it's automatically at LEAST 3 stars (Return Of The Jedi) or more. I think ROTJ was the only one less than 3 1/2 stars IIRC.

No, I'm pretty sure that's incorrect. For the original trilogy, I think he gave them all four stars. I think he did say that he thought RotJ wasn't quite as good as the other two, but still worth four stars. For the prequels, he actually gave Attack of the Clones just 2 stars. Menace and Sith were both either 3 or 3.5 stars....I don't remember which was which.

Phantom Menace and Sith did get 3.5 stars each. Interestingly, Phantom Menace was only 39 percent fresh among RT's top critics. Ebert likes what he likes, and his review of Star Trek was only a half-star from being fresh.
 
Ebert is an idiot. Viacom [Paramount] wasn't going to dump over $100 million into the new Trek film on experimental plot lines and how does he put it:

stories might play with questions of science, ideals or philosophy,

expecially after the failure of Star Trek Enterprise.

Lets face it, big budget films must have mass appeal to be successful and the 'formula,' was the safest route to go after Trek's near demise.

When this film makes a likely 500% return on investment for Viacom and their stock holders they can laugh in Ebert's face all the way to the bank because it wasn't 'philosophical' enough for him.
 
Having finally watched the movie, I tend to agree with Ebert. JJ's movie has bits and pieces of Star Trek placed all over, but dare I say that the movie lacks the soul of Star Trek. Most Star Trek stories, especially the movies have a parable that speaks about us, Humanity in some way.

If there's a point to ponder in this latest movie, I cannot even perceive it. Ebert's right that this movie is a whole lot more space opera and than science fiction.
 
I like Ebert. Usually, even if you disagree with his review, you can still tell if you'd like or hate the movie in question. However, over the last few years some of his reviews tend to fixate on a meaningless detail that has little to do with the movie as a whole, sort of like that one reviewer who Dennis told me is nobody freaking out over a starship being built on Earth.
 
Having finally watched the movie, I tend to agree with Ebert. JJ's movie has bits and pieces of Star Trek placed all over, but dare I say that the movie lacks the soul of Star Trek. Most Star Trek stories, especially the movies have a parable that speaks about us, Humanity in some way.

If there's a point to ponder in this latest movie, I cannot even perceive it. Ebert's right that this movie is a whole lot more space opera and than science fiction.

The "Star Trek" of TNG forward envisions a society of the future where human beings barely bicker - a completely improbable social structure and economy - and where 'disease' and even 'despair' is cured [according to Troi] ... Thank God they changed it if you ask me.
 
One thing is for sure.

Ebert sure generates a lot of controversy and heated discussions.
It is not the first time in this BBS or elsewhere that people "fight" over his review on a movie.
 
Ebert is an idiot. Viacom [Paramount] wasn't going to dump over $100 million into the new Trek film on experimental plot lines and how does he put it:

stories might play with questions of science, ideals or philosophy,
expecially after the failure of Star Trek Enterprise.
ENT played with questions of science, ideals or philosophy? You're not really serious about that, are you? :eek: Even when they claimed to, they were so far off the mark that their stories were totally irrelevant to the topic; ENT never found a good idea that it couldn't completely miss the point of (i.e. its 'AIDS' episode was so far off that it boiled down to "only 'those' people get the disease." :rolleyes: )

When this film makes a likely 500% return on investment for Viacom and their stock holders ...
Not really likely; it may double the investment, maybe even triple, but not quintuple. And even doubling the investment is merely breaking even.
 
Having finally watched the movie, I tend to agree with Ebert. JJ's movie has bits and pieces of Star Trek placed all over, but dare I say that the movie lacks the soul of Star Trek. Most Star Trek stories, especially the movies have a parable that speaks about us, Humanity in some way.

If there's a point to ponder in this latest movie, I cannot even perceive it. Ebert's right that this movie is a whole lot more space opera and than science fiction.

The "Star Trek" of TNG forward envisions a society of the future where human beings barely bicker - a completely improbable social structure and economy - and where 'disease' and even 'despair' is cured [according to Troi] ... Thank God they changed it if you ask me.

What happened in TNG has nothing to do with how I feel about this movie. I'm saying the movie is missing the science fiction element that makes Star Trek different from Star Wars.
 
Having finally watched the movie, I tend to agree with Ebert. JJ's movie has bits and pieces of Star Trek placed all over, but dare I say that the movie lacks the soul of Star Trek. Most Star Trek stories, especially the movies have a parable that speaks about us, Humanity in some way.

If there's a point to ponder in this latest movie, I cannot even perceive it. Ebert's right that this movie is a whole lot more space opera and than science fiction.

True. But Trek can be (and has been) used to simply tell an entertaining story. What the hell was the message in "The Trouble with Tribbles" or "Shore Leave"?
I don't want Trek to become totally mindless entertainment, but the idea that it always needs to be full of pathos or relevancy to be any good is an overstatement of its first purpose -- entertain.

And, I also think Nero is yet another victim of Khan, who is still the epitome of the Trek villain. If Nero had been stronger, it may have helped give the movie the depth Ebert apparently wanted.
 
JJ's movie has bits and pieces of Star Trek placed all over, but dare I say that the movie lacks the soul of Star Trek.

I personally think that the philosophical part of Star Trek should be in the TV series only and to a much lesser extent in the movies. The movies have to focus on the action and the mainstream or else no one in the general public would be interested in seeing it. Look what happened to Insurrection. That movie favoured morality over action and it failed compared to First Contact which got the more mainstream audience because it was more action oriented and thus more mainstream.
 
What happened in TNG has nothing to do with how I feel about this movie. I'm saying the movie is missing the science fiction element that makes Star Trek different from Star Wars.

I haven't seen the film but if you mean the techno babble explanations of why and how things work then thank god for that too.
 
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