Wolverine opens to $87mil, does this kill the piracy hurts argument?

[JustKate]

Re: Wolverine opens to $87mil, does this kill the piracy hurts argumen

Whether Wolverine was hurt or helped isn't germane to every movie, is it? I mean, this is the sort of movie made for the big screen, so even quite a few of the people who have seen the pirated version would still want to see it on the big screen, just as lots of people lined up to see the original Star Wars movies on the big screen when they were re-released - or the way even people who have seen the Wizard of Oz 300 times would like to see it on the big screen, too.

But a smaller movie that was leaked...it would be hurt even more than this one, I'd guess.

Anyway, it's stealing. It's not right. Just pay to see the movie if you want to see the movie.

 

[Trekker4747]

Re: Wolverine opens to $87mil, does this kill the piracy hurts argumen

Whether Wolverine was hurt or helped isn't germane to every movie, is it? I mean, this is the sort of movie made for the big screen, so even quite a few of the people who have seen the pirated version would still want to see it on the big screen, just as lots of people lined up to see the original Star Wars movies on the big screen when they were re-released - or the way even people who have seen the Wizard of Oz 300 times would like to see it on the big screen, too..

Or, people watched the Wolverine leak, didn't like it, so they didn't go to the theater -and pay money- to watch it again.

Net result: Someone saw the movie without paying, stuido loses money.

 

[Dark Gilligan]

Re: Wolverine opens to $87mil, does this kill the piracy hurts argumen

The studios say pirating kills the industry. Does this prove them wrong?

All it proves is that piracy is still theft.

 

[Dream]

Re: Wolverine opens to $87mil, does this kill the piracy hurts argumen

87 million is pretty good. The thing is that Wolverine was never going to be that huge since so many people hated X3.

 

[Jax]

Re: Wolverine opens to $87mil, does this kill the piracy hurts argumen

Finals are out its $85 million so assuming it has weak legs it be lucky to finish with double that.

 

[Rii]

Re: Wolverine opens to $87mil, does this kill the piracy hurts argumen

The studios say pirating kills the industry. Does this prove them wrong?

All it proves is that piracy is still theft.

I think your finger slipped and you wrote "still" in place of "has never been". It's understandable, the keys are right next to each other.

 

[Trekker4747]

Re: Wolverine opens to $87mil, does this kill the piracy hurts argumen

Finals are out its $85 million so assuming it has weak legs it be lucky to finish with double that.

Well, it'll get slaughtered this weekend by Star Trek (man, it feels weird saying that) but a 50% drop off wouldn't be out of the norm. Finishing at "double that" domestically is possible, Wordwide it'll likely do OK. But, yeah, not all that impressive a run so far.

Wolverine: Flop?

 

[Dream]

Re: Wolverine opens to $87mil, does this kill the piracy hurts argumen

Finals are out its $85 million so assuming it has weak legs it be lucky to finish with double that.

I hope Star Trek crushes Wolverine.

 

[Trekker4747]

Re: Wolverine opens to $87mil, does this kill the piracy hurts argumen

Finals are out its $85 million so assuming it has weak legs it be lucky to finish with double that.

I hope Star Trek crushes Wolverine.

It's going to rip all of the adamantium out of Wolverine and then beat him senseless with it.

 

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

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a 50% drop off wouldn't be out of the norm.

A 50% drop would be stellar for a film of this genre coming off an opening that big, but the second weekend drop will probably be more like 70%. Still, even with very weak legs the opening is big enough to ensure that the film will be a hit given the budget.

 

[mic of orion]

Re: Wolverine opens to $87mil, does this kill the piracy hurts argumen

So Wolverine opened to the tune to $87 million this weekend.

It was also the most blatantly, famously, biggest and most advanced pirated movie pretty much ever. The studios say pirating kills the industry. Does this prove them wrong?

Or are they just gonna say Wolverine could have made it to a $110 million opening if it had not been pirated? You think that's true?

to be honest, I wouldn't bother watching Wolverine in cinema or pirated version... I like X-men, I really do, Patrick Stewart and Ian McClellan, what more you want...

Sorry, but without these two, I' am not interested...

and this has nothing to do with the star trek, nothing at all, after all I am going to see District 9, Avatar and 2012 in cinema, just that Wolverine without these two makes no sense IMHO...

 

[T'Baio]

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Talk about budget, I can't believe it cost $150 million. It looked like a $50 million movie. Those horrible backlot New Orleans sets? Oy.

Oh, and pirating is stealing.

 

[Arrqh]

Re: Wolverine opens to $87mil, does this kill the piracy hurts argumen

The actual numbers for the weekend (the $87 was the estimate) is a slightly lower $85 million which I think was Fox's original expectations. So they can make whatever claims they want about how much it could have made in fantasy land, but in actuality the movie performed exactly as much as they wanted it to this weekend.

 

[Hermiod]

Re: Wolverine opens to $87mil, does this kill the piracy hurts argumen

Whichever movie gets the number one spot this week, Patrick Stewart wins. He's an evil genius, I tells ya!

 

[FPAlpha]

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It's as always.. every industry needs a scapegoat when things don't turn out the way they do.

They may have a point.. many people just aren't spending 20 dollars per person for a movie night when they have a home theater and can have that for 10 dollars or less and invite friends over without the hassle to find a parking spot, deal with the usual idiots at the theatre and probably get a sticky seat.

However almost every study i know of claims that piracy actually improves box office because if a movie is good it will get word of mouth and people may still shell out the bucks to see it on a giant screen with a powerful sound equipment but the keywords are "good movie".

Hollywood and the music industry are producing more crap on average than before but offset that with huge marketing campaigns to get that crucial 1st weekend. Just look how many movies take a nosedive then.. good movies don't do that.

I could have seen The Dark Knight at home on my PC or can see Star Trek at home (maybe have to wait a few days to get a decent version) but these movies are good and the box office proves it (i'm assuming Star Trek is good of course ).
So the industry has very weak legs to stand on because they are disproven time and time and again by reputable investigations but to a degree they're also right though nowhere in the amount they claim.

 

[Rob Grant]

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God, THIS old thing AGAIN?

It's theft. It didn't help. It probably HURT because an unfinished version was leaked.

Wait for stuff and PAY for it ... otherwise there won't BE anymore stuff WORTH stealing.

--Ted

People like you piss me off..

 

[Brikar99]

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these movies are good and the box office proves it (i'm assuming Star Trek is good of course ).

Sorry to pick nits, but box office numbers never 'prove' that a movie is good, only how many people go to see it at a particular time.

 

[Captain Craig]

Re: Wolverine opens to $87mil, does this kill the piracy hurts argumen

Well, it'll get slaughtered this weekend by Star Trek (man, it feels weird saying that) but a 50% drop off wouldn't be out of the norm. Finishing at "double that" domestically is possible, Wordwide it'll likely do OK. But, yeah, not all that impressive a run so far.

Wolverine: Flop?

Look for about a 60% drop. That has become the normal range drop for summer films the past decade.
Even with that it will not be considered FLOP. Depending on its 'legs' it could end up with a Dissapointment tag but the studio is dismissing that to piracy or may not care as the sequel has been greenlighted already.

It'll still make close to or over $400m WW when its all said and done. Cause for a movie that cost $150m to make its already tallied $158m WW in just three days. So add, roughly, another 60m WW with a 60% drop + what ever it tallies Monday -Thrusday(lets say about $35m, 20 of that US domestic) before Trek opens and your looking at an 11 day total of around $250m. Not bad at all.

 

[CaptJimboJones]

Re: Wolverine opens to $87mil, does this kill the piracy hurts argumen

The studios say pirating kills the industry. Does this prove them wrong?

All it proves is that piracy is still theft.

Technically, this type of piracy isn't theft, it's copyright infringement. That doesn't justify it, but calling it theft muddies the waters quite a bit because "theft" is typically associated with stealing a physical or monetary asset, while copyright infringement is is the unlawful copying and/or distribution of another person's work.

 

[Trekker4747]

Re: Wolverine opens to $87mil, does this kill the piracy hurts argumen

Well, it'll get slaughtered this weekend by Star Trek (man, it feels weird saying that) but a 50% drop off wouldn't be out of the norm. Finishing at "double that" domestically is possible, Wordwide it'll likely do OK. But, yeah, not all that impressive a run so far.

Wolverine: Flop?

Look for about a 60% drop. That has become the normal range drop for summer films the past decade.
Even with that it will not be considered FLOP. Depending on its 'legs' it could end up with a Dissapointment tag but the studio is dismissing that to piracy or may not care as the sequel has been greenlighted already.

It'll still make close to or over $400m WW when its all said and done. Cause for a movie that cost $150m to make its already tallied $158m WW in just three days. So add, roughly, another 60m WW with a 60% drop + what ever it tallies Monday -Thrusday(lets say about $35m, 20 of that US domestic) before Trek opens and your looking at an 11 day total of around $250m. Not bad at all.

A direct sequel to Wolverine or just another X-Men movie? Because the latter is automaticly assumed since Fox wants to keep the rights to make them -they have to have an X-Men movie every 5 years in order to hold onto the rights.

People like [TGTheodore] piss me off.

People who know and understand that watching a movie, watching a TV show, playing a game, listening to music or reading a book without paying for is stealing from the creators of such works and if there's no money to be made in those areas they'll stop doing it?

Are you advocating piracy? What entitles you [or a pirate] to download an illegal copy of a movie for viewing? You know it takes millions of dollars to make movies funding everyone from $10/hr craft services workers to the $10m actor, right? You know that if people don't go see a movie and isntead get an illegal copy of it they're hurting those people's industries, right?

People like YOU make *me* pissed off.