NCC-1701 vs Superman

[All Seeing Eye]

Hello people, the 1701 has tractor beams and transporters.

Superman is molecular minced meat.

Doubtful. Superman has SUPER-SPEED. Even the Computer would be too slow to get a lock on him with either the transporter or the tractor beam

The ship has faster than light sensors, if superman flew faster than light he'd end up travelling back in time as he did in the first Superman film (so he wouldn't do that without good reason) therefore the ship could easily get a lock on him, it's not like he has any kind of electronic countermeasures with which to disrupt the sensors. That's the only reason why in Trek we see ships have trouble getting weapons locks, not because the enemy ship is too fast or manoeuvrable but because of ECM's.
The 1701 could blast him with a phaser beam to disorientate him, hit him with a tractor beam and then the transporter milliseconds later. Even if the tractor beam couldnt hold him it would probably slow him down enough to get the transporter lock.

Hell they could probably rig the deflector dish to emit a huge pulse of anti-protons or something which would hit Superman and annihilate the protons within the atoms of his body. It doesn't matter how dense his molecular makeup is, if the protons within the atoms of his body got hit with anti-protons he'd blow up as a matter/anti-matter explosion.

 

[Praetor]

Somehow, I doubt even Superman goes faster than the speed of light.

These days, Superman indeed goes faster than the speed of light once again - in the comics.

Hence why I said; if it's written by a Superman fanboy, and especially a Silver Age Superman fanboy, Superman will win.

Wow, I hadn't realized they actually let him do that anymore. I've always found that to be a bit too powerful for my taste.

And for Superman simply flying through the saucer, and tearing pylons off - there is such a thing as shields.

PS: The Enterprise can go FTL as well, and fight at FTL.

Agreed there. I don't think getting a tractor and then transporter lock on Superman would be a big deal. Then just leave him in the buffer long enough to set up a red sunlight-lit room aboard.

Again, time to prepare.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Supes regularly kicks alien ship ass, so the Ent. would be no prob for him.

 

[Praetor]

The Enterprise is no random ship, though. Consider the crew aboard her.

 

[Norrin Radd]

The Enterprise is no random ship, though. Consider the crew aboard her.

I am. But logic and guts only gets you so far.

Only chance for the Enterprise is Kirk fighting him one on one.

 

[wamdue]

The Enterprise is no random ship, though. Consider the crew aboard her.

but we dont we then have to ask "why are Superman and Kirk trying to kill each other?" becasue if the two sides were to talk too each other, they would not want to kill each other.

 

[Titus Andronicus]

Being a fan of both franchises, I can't really say who would win. I like to think that after a short fight, the two forces would team up against whatever real threat was out there.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Am I the only one here who reasons with logic?

 

[USS Avenger]

The Enterprise would not only win, but Capt. Kirk would run off with Lois Lane just to spite the "man of steel"

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Interestingly, around 1991, when Bob Greenberger was the editor of DC's Star Trek comics, they proposed a Star Trek/Superman crossover. The writer would have been Michael Jan Friedman, then writing the ST:TNG comic. It didn't happen because the Star Trek office looked at the proposal and said, "Wait, Superman's not real!" thus putting the kibosh on the whole thing.

 

[Trekker4747]

Am I the only one here who reasons with logic?

I'm going to bite my tounge here.

Ok, so Superman flies faster than light, which he does in the real universe. The Enterprise flies faster than light in subspace, depending on how you want to comprehend these two things it might be an advantage to the the Enterprise.

The Enterprise has sensors and tracking systems that work and process at FTL speeds. So unless Superman can travel many 1000s or 10s of 1000s times the speed of light he's not going to out-maneuver the Enterprise's sensors or computers.

Superman has one great weakness, too. He doesn't kill. So he's not going to destroy the ship, rip out the warp core or do anything like that to stop the Enterprise. The Enterprise crew? Will kill if they have to.

The Enterprise crew aren't likely to know about kryptonite and even if they do it may not work. The kryptonite that effects Superman has been rendered radioactive from the travel to Earth. So the Enterprise wouldn't just have to make kryptonite it'd have to make kryptonite radiation.

Superman has limits. They're very, very high, limits but limits. He's only going to be able to take so much energy from a phaser blast which is going to be millions upon millions of megaelectrical units over a sustained blast before his energy is spent. (A'la Doomsday.)

Photon torpedoes aren't likely to do much. In terms of Superman's strength they're a pretty "puny" explosion.

He can likely "cut" through the Enterprise's shields, of any forcefield they may try and contain him in, by simply pummeling it or using heat vision on it until the shield simply fails.

The transporter might be able to get a lock on him but I don't think we've any good frame of reference of what would happen next. They beam him out energy only? They beam his indvidual atoms into space? There's no way of knowing if they'll regenerate a "new" Superman (or millions upon millions of them) or recoalesce.

The Enterprise's sensors SHOULD be able to detect Superman's "solar battery" ability and they should THEN be able to duplicate other star's "solar energy" and to try and land on one that'll defeat him.

It'd be a real battle and whomever wins will only just but neither will be really helpless to the other. (And, again, it dpends on which Superman. Some versions of him cannot survive long in space, or move FTL.)

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Interestingly, around 1991, when Bob Greenberger was the editor of DC's Star Trek comics, they proposed a Star Trek/Superman crossover. The writer would have been Michael Jan Friedman, then writing the ST:TNG comic. It didn't happen because the Star Trek office looked at the proposal and said, "Wait, Superman's not real!" thus putting the kibosh on the whole thing.

But neither is Star Trek. Oh, the irony.

I'd get behind that crossover more than the X-Men one that happened. It'd probably be just as fun as the Superman/Masters of The Universe crossover.

 

[Trekker4747]

Interestingly, around 1991, when Bob Greenberger was the editor of DC's Star Trek comics, they proposed a Star Trek/Superman crossover. The writer would have been Michael Jan Friedman, then writing the ST:TNG comic. It didn't happen because the Star Trek office looked at the proposal and said, "Wait, Superman's not real!" thus putting the kibosh on the whole thing.

But neither is Star Trek. Oh, the irony.

Star Trek "tries" to be real or to, the best it can, take place in "our" universe.

But they could've simply had Superman "be real" on another Earth-like planet.

 

[Brent]

Superman wins against everything, end of story.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Star Trek "tries" to be real or to, the best it can, take place in "our" universe.

So has Superman, depending on who's handling him.

Donner used "verisimilitude" as a mantra while making his Superman movies. To give the fantastical trappings some grounding in "reality," just as much as Trek.

 

[Trekker4747]

Star Trek "tries" to be real or to, the best it can, take place in "our" universe.

So has Superman, depending on who's handling him.QUOTE]

Yeah, but Superman is fantastical while Star Trek is science fiction. The latter is more grouned in a "reality."

Than a story about a man who can fly and is indestructable simply by being around a bright yellow light.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Star Trek "tries" to be real or to, the best it can, take place in "our" universe.

So has Superman, depending on who's handling him.QUOTE]

Yeah, but Superman is fantastical while Star Trek is science fiction. The latter is more grouned in a "reality."

Than a story about a man who can fly and is indestructable simply by being around a bright yellow light.

Superman has his grounding in the 1930s-era of science fiction and even the SF of latter decades.

Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster tried to ground Superman's fantastical powers in some kind of pseudo-scientific explanation. See: http://www.firstscience.com/site/articles/superman.asp

And: http://geekwhisperin.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/actioncomics1-superman-origin.png?w=655&h=884

In terms of the DC pantheon, both Superman and Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) have been treated as the representatives of science and science fiction, wielding the trappings of both just as much as Trek has.

Superman is no more fantastical as warp drive or transporters or meeting godlike aliens with powers similar to a fifth-dimensional imp.

Of course, your mileage may vary as the plausibility of one is over the other.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

The transporter might be able to get a lock on him but I don't think we've any good frame of reference of what would happen next. They beam him out energy only? They beam his indvidual atoms into space? There's no way of knowing if they'll regenerate a "new" Superman (or millions upon millions of them) or recoalesce.

What on Earth is this based on? I was never aware Superman had the ability to reconstitute his own matter on the sub atomic level.
If he's ripped apart on the sub atomic level and his molecules are scattered through space like talcum powder I kind of think the guys finished.

 

[Praetor]

Only chance for the Enterprise is Kirk fighting him one on one.

You may be right. Wonder whose uniform would tear first?

I can easily see Kirk talking Superman into committing suicide, not unlike the end of 'Who Mourns for Adonais?'

The Enterprise is no random ship, though. Consider the crew aboard her.

but we dont we then have to ask "why are Superman and Kirk trying to kill each other?" becasue if the two sides were to talk too each other, they would not want to kill each other.

Nah, leave that one to the writers.

 

[wamdue]

The Enterprise is no random ship, though. Consider the crew aboard her.

but we dont we then have to ask "why are Superman and Kirk trying to kill each other?" becasue if the two sides were to talk too each other, they would not want to kill each other.

Nah, leave that one to the writers.

oddly that does not fill me with confidence. What if Superman was in the mirror verse? Superman vs NCC 1701 ISS Enterprise would be more logical