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Re: Drex Files, more art from the EXPANCE

Er, that's Eaves' blog, not Drexler's (it's easy to confuse them, though), and "expanse" is spelled with an "s", not a "c"! :D
 
Re: EUREKA! Mysterious ''ENT Opening credits'' ship discoverd!

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Would a kind mod out there do the honours please?
 
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Re: EUREKA! Mysterious ''ENT Opening credits'' ship discoverd!

The teeny weeny fuel tanks of even the earliest Trek ships might reflect trickery with inertia rather than dense packing of fuel. Compacting the fuel will not help solve the rocket equation, as it is the mass of the fuel that will defeat the attempt at interstellar rocket-based propulsion, not its volume. But making the fuel/propellant very light when stored, yet very massive when exhausted, would nicely evict Newton from the equation...

Really, Khan's warp-less DY-100 must already have had something non-Newtonian going on, in order to reach interstellar distances and thus interstellar speeds.
Timo Saloniemi

I was actually thinking more in terms of using the warp drive to minimize the sublight speeds the "Emmette" (which I'm not entirely comfortable with as class name either) would have to achieve, thus limiting fuel mass, and fusion engines would have a relatively high specific impulse anyway, though your reasoning is more valid than my hazy attempt to explain away those skinny little trek hulls.

I always pictured the SS Botany Bay as departing the vicinity of earth festooned with drop tanks and strap-on boosters from orbit, where I think it was assembled (fanciful surface launch depictions without so much as an aero-fairing to the contrary). This would include the 2, 8-segmented rows of main cargo/fuel segments as per DY-100 concept drawings. All but the five that were left in "Space seed" were for fuel by my take, or reaction mass really, if we assume some high efficiency fissionable plant in the little stern mounted propulsion unit.
I've tried to rationalize this in thinking Kahn and his augments were the victims of a malfunction, or perhaps even sabotage, in that the ship expelled all its propellant to accelerate to a sufficient velocity to get far enough out in 270 years to make the episode premise viable (Kahn and co. would have been doomed to coast forever in this scenario if they hadn't been intercepted). Perhaps the 1701 was making a near earth run at the time and would have delivered Kahn back there if he hadn't taken over the ship.

P.S. The 2060's timeframe is as per comments by Rob Bunchune himself over at DrexFiles:
"It was the intention that this was the first warp capable ship after the Phoenix. However, Warp drive being new and tricky, it had a full reaction system ability and therefore all the classic 20th/21st Centrury rocket engine bells."
 
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Re: Drex Files, more art from the EXPANCE

They're blogs are fun and all, but really, do we need a new topic every day on everything they post? When does this become "spam"?
 
Re: EUREKA! Mysterious ''ENT Opening credits'' ship discoverd!

Perhaps the 1701 was making a near earth run at the time and would have delivered Kahn back there if he hadn't taken over the ship.

Not too near - but our heroes do say that Earth vessels "no longer" visit this area. So it's probably in one of the "too close to be interesting, but too far away from anything interesting" zones that would quickly develop within a warp-traversed star empire...

I tend to favor something like 150 lightyears, because that's how far Khan would have gotten if his ship traveled at high enough a relativistic speed to turn the objective 270 years into subjective less-than-250... That's farther away than the pre-ENT adventures, but closer than Kirk's usual ones.

Yes, perhaps Khan's ship malfunctioned. Or then those five containers would have held enough propellant to brake him to any New Earth of his choosing, after the eleven others had accelerated him away from Old Earth and had been jettisoned. The central hull would probably be just barely big enough to hold the depicted interiors, so the containers could be dedicated to fuel.

I doubt Khan had the time or resources to do much orbital assembly during his actual escape. But he could have hijacked a ship already undergoing such assembly for some other sort of mission. Then again, he was prince of millions; perhaps his industries operated Earth's DY-100 fleet, and had in fact built and designed it? He could have quietly put aside one ship for the purpose of an interstellar escape - or equally quietly prepared one for an interstellar conquest mission after getting bored with conquest of Earth.

It would be nontrivial to convert the ship from interplanetary to interstellar, but not necessarily very difficult; all the ships might have been plumbed for use of the containers for fuel, even if few of them needed that option on interplanetary runs. And the cryochambers might not mind whether they were on for 200 days or years; they might be completely closed-cycle, not running out of any key resource (besides reliability; Khan did lose quite a few of his followers).

Timo Saloniemi
 
Re: EUREKA! Mysterious ''ENT Opening credits'' ship discoverd!

Much better premise than mine, though my discomfort with a late 20th century realitivistic drive remains. Perhaps it was the otherwise premature product of a development program involving augments and their enhanced intellects. It may have been a "one off" that Kahn kept up his sleeve, which was considerably more advanced than the standard DY-100 propulsion systems of the day (except for a longshot of the non-TOSR "Woden", which also would've needed realitivistic speed, we've never seen another DY-100 on screen to compare). This would otherwise fly in the face of the whole "sleeper ship" concept, as these were apparently pretty slow before 2018, even for interplanetary runs, according to dialogue in Space Seed.

Kahn may also have had some help from Gary Seven, as per the Eugenics Wars book series. When something doesn't quite seem to fit the time period, there's always some "trexplanation" for it.
 
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Re: EUREKA! Mysterious ''ENT Opening credits'' ship discoverd!

Timo,

I would have just assumed the SS Botany Bay just went through a wormhole or something and ended up a few hundred or so light years out
 
Re: Drex Files Warp Delta pictorial!

Which nicely debunks an all-too convenient assumption, IMO.
 
Re: EUREKA! Mysterious ''ENT Opening credits'' ship discoverd!

Timo,

I would have just assumed the SS Botany Bay just went through a wormhole or something and ended up a few hundred or so light years out

Voyager VI, Nomad, Ares IV and Charybdis, plus probably the "SS Birdseye" cryosatellite, SS Valiant and Friendship One...

There seemed to be quite a bit of that going on back then
 
Re: EUREKA! Mysterious ''ENT Opening credits'' ship discoverd!

Timo,

I would have just assumed the SS Botany Bay just went through a wormhole or something and ended up a few hundred or so light years out

Voyager VI, Nomad, Ares IV and Charybdis, plus probably the "SS Birdseye" cryosatellite, SS Valiant and Friendship One...

There seemed to be quite a bit of that going on back then

Good Lord, you're right...our whole early space program got eaten by spatial anomalies!
 
Re: EUREKA! Mysterious ''ENT Opening credits'' ship discoverd!

Amongst the firsts associated with the Conestoga (SS Conestoga?) may have been "dodge anything that looks iffy" navigational software - previous craft being obviously somewhat thick in that regard.
 
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Re: EUREKA! Mysterious ''ENT Opening credits'' ship discoverd!

Timo,

I would have just assumed the SS Botany Bay just went through a wormhole or something and ended up a few hundred or so light years out

Voyager VI, Nomad, Ares IV and Charybdis, plus probably the "SS Birdseye" cryosatellite, SS Valiant and Friendship One...

There seemed to be quite a bit of that going on back then

Good Lord, you're right...our whole early space program got eaten by spatial anomalies!

The Great Galactic Ghoul was a missed opportunity for a Star Trek episode.
 
Re: EUREKA! Mysterious ''ENT Opening credits'' ship discoverd!

I can so see the evolutionary lines here... Initially, most of Earth's combat warpships would be of a type that takes off from planets, hence the lifting body shape. They'd perhaps need to roost on a surface installation since there wouldn't be suitable spaceborne facilities yet for servicing these complex things - but they'd be more ruggerized than their civilian equivalents, and more generalized as well. Landing on a faraway planet, be it own or enemy, would be on the agenda, even if that planet didn't have a proper starport.

The Emmette would have a relatively primitive sublight propulsion system, and perhaps wouldn't be completely armored but would only have an armored bow section (as outlined on the model). The Iceland would have the proper impulse engines and the complete polarizable armor cover. It would only be after this that Starfleet would move towards completely spaceborne starships - echoing how combat submarines went from briefly diving submersibles to completely underwater-fighting vessels during WWII.

Perhaps the Emmette and the Iceland would be largely incapable of interstellar operations, using their warp engines for rapid insystem transit instead, and doing a lot of stuff in planetary atmospheres. Only in desperate situations, such as "Twilight", would these relatively slow vessels try to reach another star system.

Young Nat Archer's model ship might not be a combat vessel yet, given the NASA style paint job. The shape (and the black-white surface finish suggestive of heat shielding) would reflect the need to do maintenance back on Earth's surface, though, or perhaps suggest a mission of landing on other atmospheric worlds such as Mars or Venus or Titan.

None of these lifting-body ships have bays for auxiliary craft in evidence, and could be argued not to need any. All sorts of sliding panels on the hull could still be postulated, hiding weapons and sensors and docking ports. The need for such smooth paneling would be decreased on the Intrepid, Enterprise and Columbia because those wouldn't spend much time in atmospheres, so the weapons on those would also be more in evidence. But we could blame residual "must-cover-everything" thinking from Iceland on the sparsity of visible weapons on the Intrepid (which only has the two bow torpedo tubes and none of the naked gunports of the Enterprise).

Timo Saloniemi

I have to say, I find this scenario more interesting than what we saw on Enterprise.
 
Re: Drex Files, more art from the EXPANCE

^^^ Oh bollux! Each post has its own specific topic and they also happen to be flat-out cool as shit! I say keep them coming. If we had them all in one big thread all the conversations would get jumbled up. If the mods think it's a problem I'm sure they'll say so.
 
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