World Premiere/Advance screening discussions [SPOILERS GUARANTEED]

[number6]

yes well, after Enterprise... I'm resigned to the whiners. long may they live and whine

Most of them have been whining quite a lot longer...


I am convinced that even the resurrection of GR and the invention of a time machine to go back to the sixties so he can produce a couple more years of TOS would not stop the whining. Oy gevalt.

 

[M'Sharak]

One more time, to everyone: discuss the topic. Do not discuss other posters or their supposed shortcomings. Do not talk about haters or whiners. Declarations of war are out, too. If you're not here to talk about Trek and this movie, please take it somewhere else.

 

[indranee]

^ okay okay, sorry.

 

[CaptainHawk1]

"Preconceived notions?" It's called "continuity" and every other Trek project up to this point has been fine with it.

Uh... no. Trek has been brutal to its own continuity since TOS-- just read a Nitpicker's guide to find out how-- so it's really about time that this argument died. Furthermore, until you see it, I guess you have no idea how much it adheres to your precious continuity, will you?

My "closed mindedness" is a profound emotional involvement in a world that has been important to me for FORTY years.

Might I suggest profound emotional involvement with, say, the real world, instead where the continuity is never violated?

Having all that thrown aside because some new snots can't be bothered to work within the fictional universe they were hired to is insulting, irritating, and frankly, infuriating.

See comment one... you have no idea what's been thrown aside.

"Antithesis of what Trek is all about?"
Sonny, you only HAVE a Star Trek at all because of fans like me who have been keeping it alive with heart, soul and money for decades.

FAIL. Despite your overinflated opinion of your own role in regard to the success of the franchise, you have very little to do with it. 98% of Star Trek's viewing audience has been the non-Trek fan, i.e. the casual viewer. So quite frankly, and I know this may be a big ego blow to you, you (and I both) simply aren't that important to the franchise.

This isn't "Trek", it's an Abomination and an insult to everything a lot of us have loved for a great many years.

This whole post me of all of those nerds in the A/V CLub in High School who were all Star Trek fans when I was not and when anyone who wasn't a nerd showed any interest in it and started asking questions they would have a fit and get defensive and condescending. The reason was pretty simple: Star Trek was the only thing the A/V nerds had. They were excluded by the cool kids and while the cool kids and the athletes got all of the girls and were popular the nerds had nothing but their Star Trek. So they'd flip out if any non-nerd would dare try to encroach on what they believed they had exclusive rights on. The irony was that by excluding others from Trek they were guilty of the same thing that they hated the popular kids for.

But the joke is, as I pointed out earlier, that the nerds are vastly outnumbered by the non-nerds when it comes to Trek and always have been whether they knew it or not.

Don't expect us to go away just so you can have your "gosh-wow" moment with a shiny new toy.
This one is to the death.
Qapla'!

Yeah, thanks for that... Nanu, Nanu.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Might I suggest profound emotional involvement with, say, the real world, instead where the continuity is never violated?

Y'know, if you live long enough you find out that a lot of what you thought was "canonical" about reality turns out to be fannish assumption.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Hey to anyone who saw the film.

Does Pike's wheelchair at the end look futuristic or is it just a regular old
wheelchair?

 

[CaptainHawk1]

Might I suggest profound emotional involvement with, say, the real world, instead where the continuity is never violated?

Y'know, if you live long enough you find out that a lot of what you thought was "canonical" about reality turns out to be fannish assumption.

 

[GMDreia]

You know, I was scratching my head a bit that they didn't find another Jew to play Spock, but I got over it - and now y'all are telling me that the Vulcans get their world blasted and have to go be Vulcans without a world.

Well, I'll be darned and go to heck.

 

[Captain X]

Might I suggest profound emotional involvement with, say, the real world, instead where the continuity is never violated?

Y'know, if you live long enough you find out that a lot of what you thought was "canonical" about reality turns out to be fannish assumption.

I like how you managed to try to stay away from bashing posters, but it really wasn't all that slick from either of you. Yes, all us nerds should get out of our mother's basements and out into the "real world", because if we don't like this movie that's naturally where we normally dwell. Kind of gives "fannish assumption" a double meaning, doesn't it?

 

[CaptainHawk1]

Might I suggest profound emotional involvement with, say, the real world, instead where the continuity is never violated?

Y'know, if you live long enough you find out that a lot of what you thought was "canonical" about reality turns out to be fannish assumption.

I like how you managed to try to stay away from bashing posters, but it really wasn't all that slick from either of you. Yes, all us nerds should get out of our mother's basements and out into the "real world", because if we don't like this movie that's naturally where we normally dwell. Kind of gives "fannish assumption" a double meaning, doesn't it?

Hey, you take it as you need to but it was in direct response to this, and nothing more:

My "closed mindedness" is a profound emotional involvement in a world that has been important to me for FORTY years.

 

[Captain X]

Which apparently equates to basement dwelling nerd, for some reason, instead of someone who just really liked the shows.

 

[CaptainHawk1]

Which apparently equates to basement dwelling nerd, for some reason, instead of someone who just really liked the shows.

First, that's not what he said, he said:

My "closed mindedness" is a profound emotional involvement in a world that has been important to me for FORTY years.

That's a far cry from "someone who just really liked the shows" and that's in his own words. So why you feel the need to minimize what he said but in the same breath magnify my comment to mean that "equates to basement dwelling nerd," when I said nothing of the sort, I simply don't understand.

You want to have it both ways. Take the words from both of us at their face value, nothing more.

 

[Dac]

Might I suggest profound emotional involvement with, say, the real world, instead where the continuity is never violated?

Y'know, if you live long enough you find out that a lot of what you thought was "canonical" about reality turns out to be fannish assumption.

Nobody expects, THE FANNISH INQUISITION!

Sorry, I just had to say it...

 

[CaptainHawk1]

Might I suggest profound emotional involvement with, say, the real world, instead where the continuity is never violated?

Y'know, if you live long enough you find out that a lot of what you thought was "canonical" about reality turns out to be fannish assumption.

Nobody expects, THE FANNISH INQUISITION!

Sorry, I just had to say it...

Clever... had the MP image in my head as I read it.

 

[urbandk]

apropos of all that... love this review!

I find it sad that the people who are going to be the most curmudgeonly and pissy about JJ Abrams' "Star Trek" are the Trekkies/Trekkers/Trekaholics/whatever the hell they call themselves now, the faithful who are so invested in their personal definitions of "Trek" that they miss the amazing magic trick that Abrams just pulled off. "Star Trek," even at its most popular, was always more of a cult thing than a mainstream thing. The original series struggled with ratings while it was on the air, no network was willing to air "The Next Generation," and even Paramount treated the film series more like TV movies than big-budget theatrical affairs. Here, finally, the property is being given all the support any fan could ever ask, and it seems like the hardcores have decided that they won't support it because it's not the "Trek" they know and love.

But... it is. And it's new.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Might I suggest profound emotional involvement with, say, the real world, instead where the continuity is never violated?

Y'know, if you live long enough you find out that a lot of what you thought was "canonical" about reality turns out to be fannish assumption.

Nobody expects, THE FANNISH INQUISITION!

Sorry, I just had to say it...

Our weapon is canon. Canon and nitpicking. Our TWO weapons are canon and nitpicking and an almost fanatical devotion to Gene Roddenberry. Ah...amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as canon, nitpicking, an almost fanatical devotion to Gene Roddenberry, and nice red Starfleet uniforms...I'll come in again.

 

[M'Sharak]

Captain X, I said this, in an effort to steer this thread back on topic and away from posters snipin at other posters:

...
And now, if we could get back to actually discussing the movie?

You went right on with sniping at other posters and baiting:

Again, I find it amusing that the only way some people can defend Abrams Trek is to bash the original franchise. What makes it amusing specifically? Because for all the changes, a lot of the negative things people are bashing are still the same in Abrams Trek, and because bashing the thing a remake is based on is in a way bashing the remake for being based on it at all. Most amusing.

And later more sniping, with a side of trolling:

According to some people:
1) If you haven't seen the movie yet but are commenting negatively on released material and spoilers you're close-minded and need to "give it a chance", because watching the movie will magically change your mind about the same information you already know about, you're a "fundamentalist", you're just a basement dwelling nerd, and your opinion doesn't count.
2) If you have seen the movie and you still have a negative opinion, you now only watched the movie for ammunition, close-minded, are a "fundamentalist", are just a basement dwelling nerd, and your opinion doesn't count.
3) If you haven't seen the movie yet but are commenting positively on released material and spoilers you're open-minded, a pithy "normal" person despite the fact you're wasting time on a Star Trek board like everyone else, and your opinion adds to the excitement.
4) If you have seen the movie and comment positively on it, you are such an open-minded person and are doing your part to to keep the franchise alive, so your opinion can only help toward that end in order to convince "mainstream" audiences to go watch this movie.
Nope, no double standards or circular logic there, none at all...
...

And more trolling:

Blessed art the holy consensus.

Another request to knock off the sniping and return to topic:

One more time, to everyone: discuss the topic. Do not discuss other posters or their supposed shortcomings. Do not talk about haters or whiners. Declarations of war are out, too. If you're not here to talk about Trek and this movie, please take it somewhere else.

And again you go right back to sniping:

Might I suggest profound emotional involvement with, say, the real world, instead where the continuity is never violated?

Y'know, if you live long enough you find out that a lot of what you thought was "canonical" about reality turns out to be fannish assumption.

I like how you managed to try to stay away from bashing posters, but it really wasn't all that slick from either of you. Yes, all us nerds should get out of our mother's basements and out into the "real world", because if we don't like this movie that's naturally where we normally dwell. Kind of gives "fannish assumption" a double meaning, doesn't it?

And more sniping on the same theme, this time trying to put words in someone's mouth:

Which apparently equates to basement dwelling nerd, for some reason, instead of someone who just really liked the shows.

Although you have had a few posts which actually address the topic, the above this tells me that: 1) you don't care to comply with requests to drop the sniping, and further that 2) several of your posts have had no bearing on the topic at all, having no purpose other than to troll and disrupt.

You now have a warning for that, and one more request: either post according to the rules and follow any reasonable requests made by board staff, or refrain from posting at all. Your continued disruption is not welcome and not acceptable.

 

[SheliakBob]

This isn't "Trek", it's an Abomination and an insult to everything a lot of us have loved for a great many years.

This one is to the death.
Qapla'!

Now that's dedication. 2 bad it's misused.

sigh. "Humor, it is a difficult concept."
Still say it's an Abomination, though.

 

[Kruge]

This is too goddamn funny....

I'm sorry, I know I am new to this forum, and I've really enjoyed posting here, but seriously...watching these naysayers nitpick and whine about the new film...what a bunch of walking stereotypes!

I mean, Star Trek beautifully portrays a vision of a future society, an essentially secular culture devoted to change, to exploring new worlds and new ideas, and yet it seems so much of its fan base has adopted an almost slavish devotion to a dogmatic, rigid interpretation of "canon"...

You people remind me of Mel Gibson and his ilk who want to take the Catholic Church back in time about 200 years, or the radical Islamists who would be more than happy to see the entire planet revert to a state that resembles the 7th century

Hyperbole? Perhaps...but every time you scream bloody murder when someone comes away having seen the new film and thoroughly enjoyed it enough to look past the minuitae of so-called canon, I start to chuckle to myself...its sad really...the last gasps of a dying breed who I think would rather sink Trek than watch it change

 

[Kruge]

And now to the spoilers...

To anyone that has seen the new movie:

During the mind-meld scene between Spock Prime and Kirk, what exactly do we see? Do we see any of the events of Countdown that involved the Enterprise E or (now) Captain Data? Anything at all from the 24th century?