If Seska'd rejoined the crew after Basics, who'd have...

[Guy Gardener]

...Been her boyfriend?

Or perhaps Girlfriend?

Had the dirty double agent poisoned the well so much worse than the Borgette assimilating millions upon millions of innocent bugeyed aliens, that she couldn't have pulled on singles night during a Voyager mixer at Sandrines? (Think about it.)

Tom?

Chell?

Harry?

Noah Lessing?

Alaya?

Vorrik?

Neelix?

Carey?

Seven of Nine?

Janeway?

 

[Praetor]

I really do wonder if Seska could have been accepted back into the fold, or have been confined to quarters permanently like Suder. Seven was, in some ways, a pawn, but she did get accepted...

Hm, come to think of it, it might have been interesting had a number of Maquis pushed to have her executed for her crimes as a danger to the ship.

 

[Lynx]

After her betrayal and after her being revealed as a Cardassian, I guess that no one would have wanted anything to do with her. I guess that she would have been confined to quarters.

Still, having her on the ship would have created an interesting situation. It would have been like having a dangerous creature "in the house" and she would probably have tried to win back the confidence from some people and also tried to come up with some scemes.

 

[Tachyon]

Still, having her on the ship would have created an interesting situation. It would have been like having a dangerous creature "in the house" and she would probably have tried to win back the confidence from some people and also tried to come up with some scemes.

Same applies with Suder and they threw that one out of the window. I was actually quite disappointed to see him gone so quickly (though I liked the storyline that claimed his life - that he was given his moment to shine there), because like you said, it would have been interesting to have a "dangerous creature in the house".

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

Obviously the answer is Reg Barclay. They would've had some bizarre relationship via the Barclay hologram on Voyager and Reg's Voyager simulation at Starfleet Command.

 

[KimMH]

I always admired Seska and was disappointed to see her go. I think the Kazon too out of her league.

I vote Vorik. A touch telepath and a person with an absolute moral center could anticipate her evil schemes and spend his 225 future years exploring whether she could be tipped away from evil to ferocious self interest.

Letting her loose on the ship would keep the crew on their toes and they wouldn't fall into complacency and foolishness- like believing you were actually the long lost offspring of a race in the DQ whose proximity reactivated your latent biology (Harry and his 4 wives - okay ; maybe no way to save poor Harry from foolishness OR 4 wives . . . ).

 

[JustKate]

I'd only have wanted her back if she could be conniving and treacherous and bitter again. Otherwise, what's the point? What would be the fun in having her reform? She was fabulous at being conniving and treacherous and bitter.

 

[Guy Gardener]

And if you slipped in a little niceness and generosity and compassion, however the damn hell confused would you be when she returned to type?

Because remember, never tell the same lie twice and the lies are especially the truth.

I see someone with a heap of self loathing getting caught up in her advances, suffice to say that there's little differnce between love and hate that someone can terribly resent themself for being intrigued by a person who is utterly reprehensible... Denise Richards has made a career out of it.

 

[Praetor]

Seska=Denise Richards?

Somehow that just makes worlds of sense.

 

[kimc]

I'd only have wanted her back if she could be conniving and treacherous and bitter again. Otherwise, what's the point? What would be the fun in having her reform? She was fabulous at being conniving and treacherous and bitter.

Exactly - she was one villain you just loved to hate.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Love to hate, or hate to love?

Do Cardassians smell really extra sexy? Because it doesn't matter what sort of evil space Hitler bastards they are, even space jews, like Kira for instance, get the compulsion to tap that... It's the extra spines, right?

 

[Jaespol]

She would have never been accepted back.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Tom killed some kids at the academy by being a cowboy in some shuttle accident then lied his ass off until he indiscernibly and ineffably changed his mind... Supposed off camera to differentiate him from Nick Locarno, but hells bells, they never sited a reason from his moral turnaround, and despite that, and BETRAYING a quarter of the crew and their cause to the fuzz which would have thrown the lot of them in the pookie... A crime of loyalty which Tuvok could have be accountable of too... And no one cared after the first episode.

Janeway got them stranded in the ass end of no where.

B'Elanna broke Carey's nose after a week in Engineering.

Harry tried to feed Tom to some hooligans in prison.

Tuvok was the but of so many practical jokes from Tom and harry, a human would have poisoned them.

The Doctor did comical brain on Seven of Nine, and betrayed the crew in his right mind forwarding the shied codes to some bad guys opening fire on Voyager.

Neelix's cooking.

They're a pretty compassionate and forgiving lot.

Besides, the federation and the Cardassion Union were allies. they were such strong allies that janeway was honor bound to hunt, then apprehend or murder a 1/4 of what would one day be her crew to guarantee the continuation of that friendship... politically, Seska had no motivation to what she did, from day one she could have admitted who she was with no consequences from the Starfleet types, and she was sleeping with Jonas among others? What she did was purely because she didn't retain any faith that Janeway could get them home. Another captain who measured up to her harsh scrutiny might have found the same cardassian pledging fealty among other appendages.

 

[Anwar]

Seeing how Seska tried to kill them all and steal their vessel, more than once, it would be plenty dumb for her to be accepted back. The others never did anything like that.

And Janeway didn't "strand" them at all, using the Array to go back was never an option. Being brought there killed people and damaged the ship, using it to go back would've done the same.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Using the array was always an option.

Tuvok clearly said that it was against the Prime Directive to destroy the Array.

Janeway told him to go fuck himself.

Besides.

It all became honed to a point in the Omega Directive that Janeway realized that she was selfish to strand everyone in the DQ when she could have easily enough, sent everyone home and then blew up the array herself stranding only her lone ass in the DQ... Of course then her entire crew told her to go fuck herself.

Janeway tried to kill and imprison a quarter of her crew and they got over it, meanwhile that same quarter where blowing up Federation Starships and fomenting war in the AQ left right and center with juvenile martial political dickery.

They all got over that after a couple hours.

Besides the Equinox 5 opened fire on Voyager loads of time and tried to feed the crew to extradimensional space beasties and they integrated so well into the crew that you would hardly even know that they were there.

 

[Tomalak]

I really do wonder if Seska could have been accepted back into the fold, or have been confined to quarters permanently like Suder. Seven was, in some ways, a pawn, but she did get accepted...

Hm, come to think of it, it might have been interesting had a number of Maquis pushed to have her executed for her crimes as a danger to the ship.

Yes, it might have been interesting to find out. Roads not taken, etc...

Seska's motivation never made much sense. She's supposed to be desperate to get home, and would go to any lengths to do so, but then hooks up with the Kazon. It's not as if Culluh would have let her take the ship and set off for Cardassia Prime. And what was impregnating herself with Chakotay's baby all about?

It was in her interests to stick with the Voyager crew, and a dissenting voice would have been an impovement over the chummy crew we had for most of the show. Ditch Harry Kim for her - no one would have noticed.

Using the array was always an option.

Tuvok clearly said that it was against the Prime Directive to destroy the Array.

Janeway told him to go fuck himself.

I actually think Tuvok's wrong here. No one seems to notice that it was during the battle between the Kazon and Voyager (which was avoidable) that the self-destruct system was damaged. Janeway probably did owe the Ocampa. Still, they could have set a time-bomb or something.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Kazon were never given the opportunity to see if they could outsmart the Caretaker or his technology. The Prime Directive protects them as well. In 5 years time after assimilating the caretakers technology how grand and beautiful might their culture suddenly be?

Evolution through salvage.

Of course if they kept the Ocampa as slaves, there would have been a revolt and the Ocampa would have ended up on top if their two species didn't interbreed at such an astonishing rate that after a couple decades there then no more full blooded Ocampa left? Hells, interbreed at such a super astonishing rate that there would have been no full blooded kazon left either... Worse the Borg this lot might be? Could that have been what banjo man meant about the Kazon destroying the Ocampa rather than his ranting about how they wanted to steal their water...

Would you rather have replicator the size of a beer fridge you could mass produce, or an ocean it would take you 40 years to drain from an underground lake you had no place to really put?

They're all morons.

You do recall that Janeways first deal she offered Jabin was that after she had secured the Array and used it that the Kazon were more than welcome to it since it was their space and they owned every thing in it, besides considering how addled the caretaker was at the end, that he would fall for the "teach a man to fish" parable at this insanely late date in the game... Even without Janeways help, the Kazon could have made a deal with him. To either become the new caretakers in exchange for his technology or to leave them alone in exchange for their technology or allow the Ocampa to be thier equals after a fashion in return for a steady supply of water...

This all started because Janeway called Jabin "uncivilized".

 

[Anwar]

The Kazon had access to the Trabe's technology and just see how well that worked out. If someone isn't smart enough to learn how to build something themselves then they aren't smart enough to use it right. Only a total moron would hand over the Array to violent savages like the Kazon, they would've just used whatever they learned to become conquerors of the sector instead of benevolent.

And the Array was never an option, it killed people bringing them there and would kill people sending them back.

 

[Praetor]

And the Array was never an option, it killed people bringing them there and would kill people sending them back.

You know, that never made sense to me. If he designed this thing to bring subjects to him for experimentation, why would the thing kill potentially viable guinea pigs? With the technology to search the galaxy, he couldn't do better? (And, given its age compared to the state-of-the-art Voyager, why wasn't the tiny Maquis ship more damaged than it was?) Yet, at the end of 'Caretaker' they made it seem like it was possible to study it and use it without any consequences whatsoever.

It all seemed very forced on the part of the writers.

Also, perhaps Seska had other, hidden motivations beyond getting home.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The trip killed people because they didn't have safety belts.

Falling over is what really killed parts of the two crews. The ships for being dragged half way across the galaxy were in amazing condition.

Besides, Tuvok said that he figured out the array completely. He owned the tech. owned it! After a couple seconds all he said to janeway was that he needed was a couple hours to plot a course home.

Caretaker I assume was a cabin boy or a janitor which is why they left him behind to look after the Ocampa. Dispensable and surplus. He might be from a superiorly technical society but that doesn't mean that he himself is as smart as the smartest Nacene. His talk to Janeway (and probably said the same thing to Ransom who also wanted to be sent home months earlier.) about how she could never under stand how impossibly complicated it was to send them home... It took Tuvok 12 seconds to figure out how childishly easy it was to send them home.

If Caretaker was an idot (his plan to save the day was to stick his dick in everything and anything he could find until a baby fell out. What a frakking genius!), and the actual brains behind the mission that fucked over the Ocampan Homeworld are still idiots too because even their best of the best are dunces wrecking havok, who actually created the array in mind for a cabinboy/janitor not to be overwhelmed by, because of the sheer magnitude of all the blinking lights and wibbly wobbly graphs on the read outs... Yes, I'm saying that the array had training wheels. It was designed to be idiot proof... For an idiot.

And maybe if Tuvok actually understood what he was doing rather the Caretakers million monkeys writing Shakespeare process, the ride home would have been a lot smoother?