SOME of the movie's draw was because of Heath's suicide. But most was because it had the Joker and was the first Batman movie in three years and the first REALLY good one in about two decades.
CNN: "Star Trek" could rival "Dark Knight"
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Batman Begins was superior in many respects. And was REALLY good.
My thoughts exactly! Geez. It was just a movie and, IMO, a mediocre one at that. I simply cannot understand why it did so incredibly well, except for Ledger's death.
1. Ledger's death was ruled accidental overdose, not suicide.
2. This (emphasis mine) was unfunny and completely uncalled-for. I don't want to see any more of it.If some of you really believe Ledger's death was the biggest draw for The Dark Knight, maybe the long-overdue mass suicide of some canon-crying, only-I-know-how-to-do-Trek-right Trekkies will hype up this movie.
If you don't understand why The Dark Knight did well, then you were either not paying attention to the actual content of the film, or you were not paying attention to the public general mood in the Summer of 2008, or both.
Retrospective analysis is easily persuasive without being provable.
Well now the haters can say since it didn't make $1 billion like The Dark Knight, it's a disaster.
I wish My Checkbook could be THAT Kinda DISASTER !!!
Same here. But I've never been a Batman fan, so it's natural that the appeal would escape me.
And movies as a reflection of national mood is always a questionable link. People just want to see something entertaining for their ten bucks.
It actually didn't do as well overseas compared with the other biggest box office successes. The comic book based movies seem to be more an American thing - same pattern holds true generally for Spider-Man, X-Men and Iron Man. My hunch is that Star Trek will follow the comic book pattern (under 50% foreign revenues) but that will be far from anything to cry about.
H. Ledgers death could not really have been the thing which had throngs flocking and swarming to that film, could it? I doubt it.
I agree BB was a better film, but DK had to, based on the bottom line, have something audiences connected to over BB. I cannot say what that something was but it made me go back for second and third helpings.
That is what I think CNN is predicting here; that Trek, like TDK did, has a certain something people are gonna flock to see again and again.
I agree BB was a better film, but DK had to, based on the bottom line, have something audiences connected to over BB. I cannot say what that something was but it made me go back for second and third helpings.
That is what I think CNN is predicting here; that Trek, like TDK did, has a certain something people are gonna flock to see again and again.
It depends on the person, but honestly I do think Star Trek is better than Dark Knight. As great a movie it is, it does have lots of problems. Namely being way way way too long and blatantly so, there is half of another movie tacked on to it - Which brings me to the ending. What ending? I know we have that big emotional speech by Gordon, but the film just stops. No fanfare or anything, it just cuts to black. That really pisses me off every time I see it. I just spent 2 and a half hours watching this great film, least you can do is give me a complete fucking music track.
As for Star Trek? It has dark elements in it, but it doesnt go to the same place DK did in terms of how fucked up and corrupt humanity is. Regardless of events which happen in the movie, It IS still optimistic about the future. Something alot of media hasnt been for a long time. THAT is a big plus afaic, and suits the story well.
As for Star Trek? It has dark elements in it, but it doesnt go to the same place DK did in terms of how fucked up and corrupt humanity is. Regardless of events which happen in the movie, It IS still optimistic about the future. Something alot of media hasnt been for a long time. THAT is a big plus afaic, and suits the story well.
I don't think there is a single person in the world (with the possible exception of the author of this article) that thinks "Star Trek" has a chance of making $500 million domestic and $1 billion worldwide.
That said, I thought TDK was very overrated. It was a well crafted film with some fine performances, but it dragged on forever and had some huge lapses in logic. I know my opinion of TDK is in the vast minority.
That said, I thought TDK was very overrated. It was a well crafted film with some fine performances, but it dragged on forever and had some huge lapses in logic. I know my opinion of TDK is in the vast minority.
Back in thge BO Predictions thread, a few weeks ago, I predicted that if it's a good film, then it could rival TDK.
I stand by that today. I think it's time. I think this is what the public is ready for, just as they were ready for TDK last summer
I stand by that today. I think it's time. I think this is what the public is ready for, just as they were ready for TDK last summer
Well, remember the point the Joker was trying to make.
In Batman's words, "What were you trying to prove? That deep down, everyone's as ugly as you?"
Frankly, despite the dark tone of much of the film, there was a note of optimism in the end. When the people on the ferrys refuse to go along with the Joker's plan, Batman tells him, "This city just showed you that it's FULL of people who are willing to believe in good."
And Rachel's note told Bruce to not lose his faith in people. (Granted, he never read the note, but still...)
The point of the film, IMO, was "Despite how dark things may look sometimes, the night is always darkest just before the dawn...and the dawn is coming."
In the same way, Star Trek has a lot of dark moments (particularly in DS9), but in the end, things always turn out for the better.
BTW...I was under the impression that Miss Johanson WAS in the next movie...did she drop out, or were the writers just CONSIDERING her...?
Probably just an old rumor. She is in the Iron Man sequel, though.
Why ever not? They were a huge part of ST fandom, particularly fanfic fandom, in the 70s and 80s.
