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Cheapjack

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It says on the Pocket Books website that Paramount retains ALL rights to your book, if you sell them one.

Say you have a general concept for an SF movie or book, not involving ST or its characters. Can you keep the rights to the concept and write a movie around it, a non ST one, AND write it as a ST book, with ST characters?

Does anyone know, or know who to contact at pocket books, now Marco has gone?
 
It says on the Pocket Books website that Paramount retains ALL rights to your book, if you sell them one.

Say you have a general concept for an SF movie or book, not involving ST or its characters. Can you keep the rights to the concept and write a movie around it, a non ST one, AND write it as a ST book, with ST characters?

Not sure why you'd want to, but there's some precedent. Larry Niven's Known Space novella "The Soft Weapon" was pretty faithfully adapted by Niven himself into TAS: "The Slaver Weapon." Dennis Bailey and David Bischoff adapted their original novel Tin Woodman into the TNG episode "Tin Man," although that one was significantly more changed from its original. And David Gerrold has based one Trek novel, The Galactic Whirlpool, and two original novels, Yesterday's Children (in two different versions) and Voyage of the Star Wolf, on the same initial concept which he originally pitched as a TOS episode, though the original novels went in unrecognizably different directions from the initial premise and TGW, so it probably doesn't really count here.

But in all those cases, the original work was published under the author's copyright before it was adapted into a Trek tale. So the author kept the rights to the original work. If you first sold the story as a work of Trek fiction, I doubt you could then rewrite it as an original work. Of course, there'd be nothing to keep you from building a substantially different work on some of the same concepts. For instance, if I wanted to write an original novel about spacegoing life forms, I could do so if it were a distinct story from Orion's Hounds rather than just the same book with the names changed.
 
Thanks, Christopher.

I have been told you can't make enough from a book to live on, that's why. But I would love to be involved in Trek and tell a Trek tale. I have found an email address for Pocket and I have asked them. I have registered my idea with the WGA, if that makes any difference.
 
^If you're only capable of coming up with one idea, you'll never be able to make a living as a writer anyway. And your odds of selling a Trek novel are better if you establish yourself with some original fiction sales first. Trying to tell the same story in two different forms is definitely not a good way to pursue a writing career. Particularly since SF editors get inundated with manuscripts and proposals that are just Trek stories with the serial numbers filed off, and so a story like that will be pretty much automatically rejected for lack of originality.
 
^If you're only capable of coming up with one idea, you'll never be able to make a living as a writer anyway. And your odds of selling a Trek novel are better if you establish yourself with some original fiction sales first. Trying to tell the same story in two different forms is definitely not a good way to pursue a writing career. Particularly since SF editors get inundated with manuscripts and proposals that are just Trek stories with the serial numbers filed off, and so a story like that will be pretty much automatically rejected for lack of originality.

I have a list on my PC of 250+ ideas! This one is a good one, though, I think. I think I'll try writing it as a film, first. Though Trek is so easy to write for- the characters are so well established and they move on their own, and the action is easy to write.
 
Also, SF is full of ideas that have been used by other people. Data, is a lot like Daneel from the Robot novels, and he does have a positronic brain.

My thinking is, that if anyone is going to make money out of it, it should be me!
 
Please don't take this the wrong way but -- you say you have 250+ ideas. That, to be blunt, is the easy part. Ideas are a dime a dozen. What actually matters is the execution. Have you ever actually finished a manuscript for a screenplay? This isn't a snotty question, this is an important one. Lots of people say they have ideas, and lots of people say they want to be writers. And most of them think it's easy, and it really really really really really isn't. It's work -- that's why we get paid for it.
 
I've written three scripts for Enterprise. I didn't sell any! I have some poetry coming out in Kristine Smiths De Kelley book, soon.

What you're saying is dead in line with J Strasinski, though.

I just thought it would widen my chances if I did both, though I don't think I will get a 120 page film script and a 400 page book done by Xmas! It's hard! I think I will go for the film, first.

Thanks.
 
^If you're only capable of coming up with one idea, you'll never be able to make a living as a writer anyway.

Well that's just not true. There are several authors - romance authors especially - who recycle the same single story, with a simple change of characters' names. Danielle Steele is a prime example of that. As is Jackie Collins.
 
Yes - all of the fan fiction out there demonstrates that.


"and then Riker struck Picard in the face because he always felt that he was an asshole. Then he made out with a hot chick." THE END
 
Yes - all of the fan fiction out there demonstrates that.


"and then Riker struck Picard in the face because he always felt that he was an asshole. Then he made out with a hot chick." THE END

Note to Self: Joe had the same idea, too. Damn. Pitch something else.

--Ted
 
And most of them think it's easy, and it really really really really really isn't. It's work -- that's why we get paid for it.

I for one have always dreamed of being a writer. How cool it would be, world building, character development etc. But I am not a writer because I can only imagine how hard it can be.
 
I for one have always dreamed of being a writer. How cool it would be, world building, character development etc. But I am not a writer because I can only imagine how hard it can be.

Have you considered writing short stories, like I have? After all, practice makes perfect.

Maybe you could put those in the "fan-fic" forum, and "test the waters", as it were.
 
^If you're only capable of coming up with one idea, you'll never be able to make a living as a writer anyway.

Well that's just not true. There are several authors - romance authors especially - who recycle the same single story, with a simple change of characters' names. Danielle Steele is a prime example of that. As is Jackie Collins.

DAvid Eddings in fantasy too.

David Eddings even based one series of books around the fact that he was a lazy bastard! :lol:

'Why I've just realised something' said the noble young Knight

"what's that?" enquired the plucky thief

"Our adventures are just the same as those of our parents!"

"So there are" commented the kindly old wizard, "clearly time is repeating itself so we should expect to see lots of rehashed mater..em.. similar adventures over the next five books em.. I mean 20 arns."
 
^If you're only capable of coming up with one idea, you'll never be able to make a living as a writer anyway. And your odds of selling a Trek novel are better if you establish yourself with some original fiction sales first. Trying to tell the same story in two different forms is definitely not a good way to pursue a writing career. Particularly since SF editors get inundated with manuscripts and proposals that are just Trek stories with the serial numbers filed off, and so a story like that will be pretty much automatically rejected for lack of originality.

I have a list on my PC of 250+ ideas! This one is a good one, though, I think. I think I'll try writing it as a film, first. Though Trek is so easy to write for- the characters are so well established and they move on their own, and the action is easy to write.

Yet so many of the Trek movies have the characters acting out of character....

Then again, if they're shown onscreen acting in any manner, it can't really be considered "out of character" since they are the character....



Best wishes in your writing process!
 
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