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Pirate Bay founders jailed for a year and ordered to pay £2.5 million

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right Pirate bay is like a search engine. But even being able to search the files you still need to verify that the file is what it is.

Also with youtube yes they take stuff down if you ask them but a) they host it b) there is still copyrighted material that you can watch. So do the industries cherry pick which sites they want to target and which sites to leave alone?

Cherry picking is exactly what they are doing, hence the article I posted earlier about Google. The Pirate Bay doesn't have to do any verifying on their end... people upload torrent files (which are nothing but links to other files elsewhere) and the site allows you to search through them.

It boggles my mind how many people cavalierly support the blatant theft of intellectual and artistic property. What a world....
Something that I think needs to be made very clear is that disagreeing with this ruling is not the same as supporting piracy. The people who are truly guilty of copyright infringement are the people who actually are creating the torrents in the first place, not the Pirate Bay itself. And to a somewhat lesser extent, the people downloading. The media industries go after places like the Pirate Bay because they represent a high profile target... even though that they're not the ones actually distributing any content themselves.
 
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Edit: I was just listening to some music on youtube, why doesn't that site have to shut down and close?? There's tons of copyright stuff on there that isn't from the record studios or the movie studios.
I fear for Google in Sweden, between Youtube and Gmail servers Google actually hosts illegal content, unlike the Pirate Bay.
 
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It boggles my mind how many people cavalierly support the blatant theft of intellectual and artistic property. What a world....
Something that I think needs to be made very clear is that disagreeing with this ruling is not the same as supporting piracy. The people who are truly guilty of copyright infringement are the people who actually are creating the torrents in the first place, not the Pirate Bay itself. And to a somewhat lesser extent, the people downloading. The media industries go after places like the Pirate Bay because they represent a high profile target... even though that they're not the ones actually distributing any content themselves.


Well what I also find distressing is this. Greg Land a Marvel Comics "Artists" repeatly copies from real life models, porn stars, fans, posters, you name it. And in turn has made quite a nice ammount of cash. Along with Marvel.

How come he isn't being targeted either? Or better yet what about Marvel themselves? Here's a company that makes a profit of distributing content and gets praised for it.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20882
Scroll down to 3/4 of the page for what I'm talking about
 
Re: Pirate Bay founders jailed for a year and ordered to pay £2.5 mill

Something that I think needs to be made very clear is that disagreeing with this ruling is not the same as supporting piracy. The people who are truly guilty of copyright infringement are the people who actually are creating the torrents in the first place, not the Pirate Bay itself.
The Pirate Bay was found guilty of being accessories to copyright violation and that's exactly what they were doing. I don't know how you can hold on one hand that the person creating the torrent is guilty but the website that hosts, disseminates, and allows that very some torrent to function through its trackers isn't.
 
Re: Pirate Bay founders jailed for a year and ordered to pay £2.5 mill

Something that I think needs to be made very clear is that disagreeing with this ruling is not the same as supporting piracy. The people who are truly guilty of copyright infringement are the people who actually are creating the torrents in the first place, not the Pirate Bay itself.
The Pirate Bay was found guilty of being accessories to copyright violation and that's exactly what they were doing. I don't know how you can hold on one hand that the person creating the torrent is guilty but the website that hosts, disseminates, and allows that very some torrent to function through its trackers isn't.

Because if the Pirate Bay is guilty then so is every major search engine. If you go into Google right now and search for a torrent of your favorite movie, you will find one. Is Google being an accessory to copyright violation? Most people would say no... Google isn't responsible for the content of other people that they are merely indexing. Which is all that the Pirate Bay was doing. You might as well start blaming the ISP's for not violating their TOS agreements with all their customers by peeking into every single packet sent for illegal content.

I will again point to the article I posted earlier. This is not a war against piracy. This is a war against search engines.
 
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Google is actually surprisingly good for doing that, I often google for "XY torrent", especially when I'm searching for something that's not that popular.
 
Re: Pirate Bay founders jailed for a year and ordered to pay £2.5 mill

Something that I think needs to be made very clear is that disagreeing with this ruling is not the same as supporting piracy. The people who are truly guilty of copyright infringement are the people who actually are creating the torrents in the first place, not the Pirate Bay itself.
The Pirate Bay was found guilty of being accessories to copyright violation and that's exactly what they were doing. I don't know how you can hold on one hand that the person creating the torrent is guilty but the website that hosts, disseminates, and allows that very some torrent to function through its trackers isn't.

Because if the Pirate Bay is guilty then so is every major search engine. If you go into Google right now and search for a torrent of your favorite movie, you will find one.
Google will just point you to The Pirate Bay or similar torrent indexing site. That's a natural consequence of Googlebot crawling public websites (keyword x is found on website y), not a specific design for people to illegally download copyrighted content. You don't download the torrent from Google, Google doesn't host the tracker, and, most importantly, Google cooperates with IP owners.

I can't say this enough: The Pirate Bay is NOT a search engine (no matter what Forbes thinks). It's a torrent indexer and tracker. The two are apples and oranges.

Everything The Pirate Bay does is designed for you to download content, something you couldn't do if their website (or other torrent indexers) didn't directly enable you to by providing the bittorrent files and backside technical requirements for them to be shared. Google is just a search engine.
 
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Google will just point you to The Pirate Bay or similar torrent indexing site. That's a natural consequence of Googlebot crawling public websites (keyword x is found on website y), not a specific design for people to illegally download copyrighted content. You don't download the torrent from Google, Google doesn't host the tracker, and, most importantly, Google cooperates with IP owners.

Right... because all torrent sites are indexes. They don't host content. Just like Google.

I can't say this enough: The Pirate Bay is NOT a search engine (no matter what Forbes thinks). It's a torrent indexer and tracker. The two are apples and oranges.
You can keep saying it, but the similarities between TPB and a search engine run significantly deeper then you're admitting. Because ultimately the illegal content never resides on their servers. Nor is the system designed in such a way that only illegal torrents can go up there. In fact there's no filtering what so ever, so aside from their choice of name and logo there's nothing about the site that makes them facilitate more illegal content then legal content... it's purely at the discretion of the users. Going after TPB is completely useless... it wastes time and money to fail to shut something down that would have zero impact even if they had succeeded. Their motives are very clear... this is not about doing anything productive to stop copyright infringment and everything to do with public image.

In a related development... the judge who presided over the case has been accused of bias as he is apparently a member of some of the copyright groups that were involved in the trial. Article here.
 
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^ grounds for a retrial surely?

(the judge being a a member of the Swedish Copyright Association and sits on the board of Swedish Association for the Protection of Industrial Property)
 
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In a related development... the judge who presided over the case has been accused of bias as he is apparently a member of some of the copyright groups that were involved in the trial. Article here.

Wow, that is a major f-up by whomever is responsible for stuff like this. That could kill the case right there. Someone should be fired.
 
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^ grounds for a retrial surely?

(the judge being a a member of the Swedish Copyright Association and sits on the board of Swedish Association for the Protection of Industrial Property)

That's what the defense is pushing for, for obvious reasons. Hopefully they'll get it!
 
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I tried to buy a couple Pirate Bay t-shirts today, but they are all sold out at the moment. :(
 
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I tried to buy a couple Pirate Bay t-shirts today, but they are all sold out at the moment. :(

Damn I wanted to buy some too.

Who knew that losing would be good for business.
 
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:lol: that's the spirit, I might just do that.
 
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Google is actually surprisingly good for doing that, I often google for "XY torrent", especially when I'm searching for something that's not that popular.

It does more then that, it gives links to the materials searched in other formats then torrent. That is, if one searched only by a general term, like the movie title for instance. If one knows the release name, which Google also helps in finding it out, it will give the user a direct link to that content.
 
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Google will just point you to The Pirate Bay or similar torrent indexing site. That's a natural consequence of Googlebot crawling public websites (keyword x is found on website y), not a specific design for people to illegally download copyrighted content. You don't download the torrent from Google, Google doesn't host the tracker, and, most importantly, Google cooperates with IP owners.

Right... because all torrent sites are indexes.
Well, yeah. If you download a torrent file from them then they're an indexer.

You can keep saying it, but the similarities between TPB and a search engine run significantly deeper then you're admitting. Because ultimately the illegal content never resides on their servers.
That's why they were convicted of being an accessory. Given that the transfer wouldn't happen if TPB didn't facilitate it by hosting the torrent file and tracker I don't know how any sane person (or technically literate one) could argue they aren't an accessory.

Nor is the system designed in such a way that only illegal torrents can go up there.
But that is what the bulk of their content consists of (and that's all that legally matters, at least in the US, how a service is used rather than how it could be used). I challenge you to go through their top 100 torrents list and find even 5 legal downloads.

In fact there's no filtering what so ever, so aside from their choice of name and logo there's nothing about the site that makes them facilitate more illegal content then legal content... it's purely at the discretion of the users.
Yeah, except for their name, logo, content, and childish refusal to cooperate with copyright holders there's nothing untoward about The Pirate Bay. :rolleyes:

Once piracy left the bulletin boards, IRC channels, usenet servers, and FTP sites and became easy enough for any idiot with broadband to do it started being seen as an entitlement rather than a vice. I'm not going to pretend I'm innocent or The Pirate Bay either.
 
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