Somebody mentioned that he stays in the alternate past to help the Vulcan survivors.
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Captain X
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Using the name is their way of providing continuity porn. They think that by using the name, Trekkies everywhere will say how awesome they are to have honored the original because they used a name from one of the first episodes.
Unlikely. He seems to be considerably more realistic about himself and less arrogant than the average fan who posts about the entertainment business on the Internet.
Captain X
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Why are we suddenly arguing about Moore? He's a guy, he has an opinion like anyone else. Whoopty-fuckin'-do. Seriously, are we all expected to either bash the guy because we don't like this movie because of something he said after he worked on DS9? He did some good work, wrote probably the best episode there is in the last season of TNG, but it's one thing to respect him, and another to put him up on a pedestal. If he's realistic about himself and not arrogant, he'd probably be the first to tell you that himself.
And could you for once make an argument about the movie instead of bashing critics? It's immature and does no one any favors.
And could you for once make an argument about the movie instead of bashing critics? It's immature and does no one any favors.
I think it gives us an idea how far they will go with "respecting canon" and how "serious" this whole alternate timeline thing is. Things like DV and new engineering cannot easily be explained with a "simple" new timeline situation.Using the name is their way of providing continuity porn. They think that by using the name, Trekkies everywhere will say how awesome they are to have honored the original because they used a name from one of the first episodes.
This is de-facto a full-fledged reboot. Good.
For what it's worth, since this is a new timeline, how does Spock Prime know Scotty will invent the ability to transport onto a ship at warp? I mean, just because he did it in one timeline doesn't mean he's bound to do it in another.
And, apparently Kirk makes a remark to Spock Prime about changing history, to which Spock Prime responds that he learned at the hands of a master (or words to that effect). Well, Spock Prime is now a big part of this timeline, apparently. So, how does that reconcile with the idea of changing history?
I mean, you've either changed one timeline inalterably (which they didn't do), or created another that's now unfolding "as it should be." Seems Spock Prime is now a part of this timeline, and helping it along "as it should be."
Don't know if any of the above is a question, or just comment.
And, apparently Kirk makes a remark to Spock Prime about changing history, to which Spock Prime responds that he learned at the hands of a master (or words to that effect). Well, Spock Prime is now a big part of this timeline, apparently. So, how does that reconcile with the idea of changing history?
I mean, you've either changed one timeline inalterably (which they didn't do), or created another that's now unfolding "as it should be." Seems Spock Prime is now a part of this timeline, and helping it along "as it should be."
Don't know if any of the above is a question, or just comment.
Captain X
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I'd actually have more respect for it if that were actually the case and they just did a BSG style reboot. I'd still hate the fact that they did a reboot, but I'd have more respect for the fact that they weren't trying to pass it off as anything but what it was.
You don't respect these people? Oh dear oh dear oh dear...
Captain X
Rear Admiral
You don't respect these people? Oh dear oh dear oh dear...
Either you're attempting to twist my words on purpose or you honestly don't know how to read. Either way your statement has nothing to do with the movie.
That's the way he strikes me at this point in time, that's all.
Question for those who have already seen the movie: Was anything learned from Nero's destruction of Vulcan that aided our heroes in his ultimate defeat?
I kind of hope so. I hope this wasn't done totally for effect. Because if so, it means after we've all seen this movie, I fear we'll be debating which "death scene" was worse, the way Berman et al killed off Kirk in GEN, or the way Abrams et al destroyed Vulcan in ST09.
I kind of hope so. I hope this wasn't done totally for effect. Because if so, it means after we've all seen this movie, I fear we'll be debating which "death scene" was worse, the way Berman et al killed off Kirk in GEN, or the way Abrams et al destroyed Vulcan in ST09.
That he's a bad-ass mofo?
OK.
So, then the movie cries out for this exchange to occur somewhere:
Kirk: You see, this cat Nero is one bad mother --
Spock: Shut your mouth!
Kirk: But I'm talkin' about Nero.
Spock: Then I can dig it.
Kirk: You see, this cat Nero is one bad mother --
Spock: Shut your mouth!
Kirk: But I'm talkin' about Nero.
Spock: Then I can dig it.
Uhura: Hah-hah. Take it somewhere else, white boys.
Spock: Shut your mouth!
Kirk: But I'm talkin' about Nero.
Spock: Then I can dig it.
Uhura: Hah-hah. Take it somewhere else, white boys.
Too late, Dennis. I got to the Shaft joke first (in the Robau Facts thread). 
If I read the part of the Trekmovie with Orci interview that someone has digged up in that other thread
Anthony (Trekmovie.com): ...So the big question is: Is the destruction of the Kelvin, the canon reason why everything is different?
Bob: It is the reason why some things are different, but not everything is different. Not everything is inconsistent with what might have actually happened, in canon. Some of the things that seem that they are totally different, I will argue, once the film comes out, fall well within what could have been the non-time travel version of this move.
it really sounds like they were trying to obscure the "true nature" of this movie to the fans. "Some of the things" fit, but that implies other's don't fit, aren't supposed to fit into the continuity
In a far bigger fashion than any canon violations of the other installments. And they knowingly made those changes (like Delta Vega "relocation")
what he describes is more of a remake where they don't intend to experiment with the formula and characters, but instead put the focus back on those things while most other things are open to change.
Whether Khan could "return" as a woman or a teenager or something like that will be interesting to see. Before that happens it's officially still some kind of "hybrid".
Vulcan's destruction is important for the impact is has on our characters (mostly Spock of course) more so than giving them a tactical advantage. For me, it didn't feel like a cheap gimmick and I don't think this will be remembered in the same way the destruction of the Enterprise-D or Kirk's dead are.
darkwing_duck1
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Just saw it at the UK premiere against all the odds (literally).
It was bloody amazing.
(Meaning I have it all freshly engraved on my mind if peeps want a spoilin')
I know the basic plot more or less. My questions are "details" (Dennis would call them "nitpicks") but I'm curious:
1) In the trailers we heard the classic "red alert" siren. Did that make it into the film? Were any other "classic" sound fx (like the bridge instruments, communicator "chirrping", etc) used?
2) Were there any hand phaser shootouts?
3) How many space combats were there, and how good were they?
4) How many other sets besides the Bridge, Transporter, Corridors, and Engineering do we see?
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