Pirate Bay founders jailed for a year and ordered to pay £2.5 million
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Re: Pirate Bay founders jailed for a year and ordered to pay £2.5 mill
They are not "jailed". They got convicted, but they are appealing the decision and they are still free.
They are not "jailed". They got convicted, but they are appealing the decision and they are still free.
Re: Pirate Bay founders jailed for a year and ordered to pay £2.5 mill
I know you just copy&pasted it, but it's misleading.
I know you just copy&pasted it, but it's misleading.
Re: Pirate Bay founders jailed for a year and ordered to pay £2.5 mill
They've gotten nothing, yet...except big legal bills.
They've gotten nothing, yet...except big legal bills.
Re: Pirate Bay founders jailed for a year and ordered to pay £2.5 mill
I'm sure you, and the other victimized families, can now rest in peace knowing they're off the street and not offering free entertainment. Whew! Good job!
I'm sure you, and the other victimized families, can now rest in peace knowing they're off the street and not offering free entertainment. Whew! Good job!
Re: Pirate Bay founders jailed for a year and ordered to pay £2.5 mill
Yeah finally Pirate Bay shut down, the long worldwide nightmare of rampant copyright infringement is over.
Yeah finally Pirate Bay shut down, the long worldwide nightmare of rampant copyright infringement is over.
Re: Pirate Bay founders jailed for a year and ordered to pay £2.5 mill
The photo of Captain Kirk in your avatar is the property of CBS. Do you have permission to use it? What about the pic of Ah-nold? Did you ask the copyright holder if you could use that?
Re: Pirate Bay founders jailed for a year and ordered to pay £2.5 mill
well done
well done
Re: Pirate Bay founders jailed for a year and ordered to pay £2.5 mill
This past week a 15-year old girl who had beeen repatedly raped killed herself before her case was to go into trial icne she felt she had constantly been betrayed by the authoraties and just wanted to end it all. And yes, she had indeed been betrayed by the atuthoraties and it's only now, after she's killed herself that it's getting any attention. As "luck" would have the man who raped her is on trial for another girl as well, so he's most likely not getting away but this dead girls case will not at this point be concluded since it pretty much relied on her testemony.
Not the mention the whole gangrape cases that have come to light, but at least those are being dealt with.
Yeah pretty much my feelings. They focus loads of money on this and other actually important stuff gets the shaft.
I'm sure you, and the other victimized families, can now rest in peace knowing they're off the street and not offering free entertainment. Whew! Good job!
This past week a 15-year old girl who had beeen repatedly raped killed herself before her case was to go into trial icne she felt she had constantly been betrayed by the authoraties and just wanted to end it all. And yes, she had indeed been betrayed by the atuthoraties and it's only now, after she's killed herself that it's getting any attention. As "luck" would have the man who raped her is on trial for another girl as well, so he's most likely not getting away but this dead girls case will not at this point be concluded since it pretty much relied on her testemony.
Not the mention the whole gangrape cases that have come to light, but at least those are being dealt with.
Touché! 8)
Re: Pirate Bay founders jailed for a year and ordered to pay £2.5 mill
The and Nerdius Maximus win.
The and Nerdius Maximus win.
Re: Pirate Bay founders jailed for a year and ordered to pay £2.5 mill
Yeah.
Hopefully now that the Swedish authorities are done wrapping up their cases against these dangerous criminals who pose mortal danger to all human beings on the planet, they can get back to their real jobs.
Like going after the brother of a friend of mine who spends his time harassing and stalking various individuals in his town - one of whom was so terrorized that he had a heart attack, resigned from his job, and was hospitalized for severe stress...and another who needed an escort to and from work every day for 3 years for fear this guy would run her over in the road.
Yeah...this guy is running around free as a bird, thanks to the fact that his cases (plural) get extended over and over and over again. But thank GOD those guys from Pirate Bay are off the street. What a relief THAT is. Even if their servers are located outside of Sweden and are still going strong.
It warms my heart to know that, like the U.S., the interests of big business are deemed more important than the safety of the country's citizens.
I'm sure you, and the other victimized families, can now rest in peace knowing they're off the street and not offering free entertainment. Whew! Good job!
Yeah.
Hopefully now that the Swedish authorities are done wrapping up their cases against these dangerous criminals who pose mortal danger to all human beings on the planet, they can get back to their real jobs.
Like going after the brother of a friend of mine who spends his time harassing and stalking various individuals in his town - one of whom was so terrorized that he had a heart attack, resigned from his job, and was hospitalized for severe stress...and another who needed an escort to and from work every day for 3 years for fear this guy would run her over in the road.
Yeah...this guy is running around free as a bird, thanks to the fact that his cases (plural) get extended over and over and over again. But thank GOD those guys from Pirate Bay are off the street. What a relief THAT is. Even if their servers are located outside of Sweden and are still going strong.
It warms my heart to know that, like the U.S., the interests of big business are deemed more important than the safety of the country's citizens.
Re: Pirate Bay founders jailed for a year and ordered to pay £2.5 mill
I see the parasites are out in force, loudly defending their right to take things without giving anything in return. It must be nice to be so richly entitled to the fruits of other people's labour.
Fallacy of appeal to ridicule.
Definitional fallacy. The entertainment offered by Pirate Bay is "free" only in the sense that stolen money is "free".
Fallacy of appeal to ridicule.
Tu quoque fallacy.
False dilemma fallacy.
What's "actually important" here is the authority of the Swedish state, which presumably embodies the democratic will of the Swedish people.
Pirate Bay chose to flout that authority. That makes them no different from any other criminal, whether you consider their crimes trivial or not.
The plaintiffs in these cases are just as much citizens of your country as you are, and just as entitled to the protection of the law. Or are you saying that their civil rights should just be ignored? And if so, on what grounds?
Fallacy of appeal to ridicule.
I hope you, and the rest of the respondents in this thread, never have to go to court to defend your rights and interests.
If you do, after setting the bar so high--and if the state decides not to waste its precious resources on such trivial matters--and if it dismisses your case because it makes no difference to anyone except you--then on what grounds will you appeal that decision?
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All in all, this is the sort of reasoning I would expect from a tapeworm, if it were ever called upon to justify being allowed to nestle in someone's guts, and suck the nourishment from their digestive system.
After all: it's not like that tapeworm is killing anyone. Shouldn't doctors be devoting their precious time to something more important? Why aren't they out curing cancer, or something?
I see the parasites are out in force, loudly defending their right to take things without giving anything in return. It must be nice to be so richly entitled to the fruits of other people's labour.
Fallacy of appeal to ridicule.
Definitional fallacy. The entertainment offered by Pirate Bay is "free" only in the sense that stolen money is "free".
Fallacy of appeal to ridicule.
Tu quoque fallacy.
False dilemma fallacy.
What's "actually important" here is the authority of the Swedish state, which presumably embodies the democratic will of the Swedish people.
Pirate Bay chose to flout that authority. That makes them no different from any other criminal, whether you consider their crimes trivial or not.
The plaintiffs in these cases are just as much citizens of your country as you are, and just as entitled to the protection of the law. Or are you saying that their civil rights should just be ignored? And if so, on what grounds?
Fallacy of appeal to ridicule.
I hope you, and the rest of the respondents in this thread, never have to go to court to defend your rights and interests.
If you do, after setting the bar so high--and if the state decides not to waste its precious resources on such trivial matters--and if it dismisses your case because it makes no difference to anyone except you--then on what grounds will you appeal that decision?
***
All in all, this is the sort of reasoning I would expect from a tapeworm, if it were ever called upon to justify being allowed to nestle in someone's guts, and suck the nourishment from their digestive system.
After all: it's not like that tapeworm is killing anyone. Shouldn't doctors be devoting their precious time to something more important? Why aren't they out curing cancer, or something?
Re: Pirate Bay founders jailed for a year and ordered to pay £2.5 mill
Yes, it is. I consider myself very privileged.
Yes, it is. I consider myself very privileged.
Re: Pirate Bay founders jailed for a year and ordered to pay £2.5 mill
I find it hilarious when people get so worked up about stuff like that.
I find it hilarious when people get so worked up about stuff like that.
Re: Pirate Bay founders jailed for a year and ordered to pay £2.5 mill
Blab on all you want about the 'fallacies' of everyone else's arguments.
But the 'fallacy' YOU have assumed here is that everyone in this thread who thinks all of these governmental resources could have been better spent (especially given the fact that a) Pirate Bay is still operational and will be for the foreseeable future and b) the defendants likely do not have the money to pay any damages anyway) thinks so because they are a 'parasite' (a flame, by the way - from where I sit, you flamed everyone in this thread) who spends all of their time illegally downloading stuff and never pays for anything.
But you know what? You are WRONG.
I myself have THOUSANDS of DVDs and CDs - all of which where quite legally purchased. Shit - I have so many DVDs that I had to move house two years ago, mainly to accommodate my extensive book and DVD collection. And again - we are talking about DVDs purchased from Best Buy, Amazon, and Deep Discount DVD. NOT downloaded from Pirate Bay.
So how about you get off that high horse of yours and quit making assumptions and generalizations about the motivations of people posting here and flaming them, simply because they hold an opinion different from your own? I have just as much right as you have to think what I like about the ultimate value of any given litigation. And I don't appreciate being insulted for speaking my peace.
And no - I don't give a shit about the record companies and the studios spending money on this. That is their right (a right which I AM PAYING FOR, BY THE WAY - EVERY TIME I PURCHASE one of the several DVDs, iTunes releases, or CDs I buy with my hard-earned CASH every month).
No...the studios can spend just as much money on lawyers as they do on royalty payments to artists, as far as I'm concerned. I mean, lawyers gotta eat too.
But what I DO give a shit about is the fact that the Swedish government has wasted vast quantities of resources on this issue, appeasing the studios, when there are criminals running around free in that country, terrorizing people I care about. People who are having to wait months, and even YEARS to get a wacko locked up who everyone in that town knows needs to be thrown in prison. And should have been in prison YEARS ago by all accounts.
I don't know if you have ever been harassed and stalked - but I have. And I can tell you that it is a TERRIFYING experience. And so yes - I believe that the safety of citizens should be prioritized above making American record companies half a world away happy with what amounts to little more than a moral victory.
Because after all of this effort and mobilization of resources - which is STILL not over and won't be for years, if ever - NOTHING has changed except a few nerds are facing a year in jail. Big frakkin woop.
Pirate Bay is still operational and likely will be for the forseeable future, as are the hundreds (thousands?) of other torrent sites all over the net.
This suit was like trying to hold back a flood by sticking a finger in a failing dam that is 10 miles long. And you know that just as well as I do. And so, if the record companies and studios want to waste their resources, I suppose that's fine with me as it's not hurting anyone else (unless they raise their prices - in which case, I will quit buying their products). But when so many governmental resources are sucked into it, that is an entirely different manner.
And excuse me for saying so, but unlike YOU, I believe that the physical saftey of of a country's citizens should be of higher priority to a governement than should be cooperating in this massively expensive exercise in futility which changes...well, NOTHING.
Oh...and by the way, another fallacy you assumed in your holier-than-thou diatribe is that the little people - the regular citizens of this country who have limited recources - have any sort of REAL shot at justice and that we should defend that shot for ourselves by defending the rights of the major corporations to have THEIR day in court. You seriously assume that the legal system would actually give PKTrekGirl a shot equal to the shot they give the record companies and other major corporations, should my own rights be abrided. And that by defending and supporting the record companies, I am in fact defending my OWN rights.
The utter naivety of that assumption is so astounding that I am shocked that an educated individual would espouse it. Because at least in the U.S., you get JUST as much 'justice' as you are able to pay for. And no more. And excuse me for saying so, but any dope with a 2nd grade education who has ever been in jail knows THAT much.
There IS no 'justice' - especially in civil litigation, for the little guys. Not in the U.S. - and not when said little guys are going up against huge corporations with ARMIES of lawyers and stacks of money at their disposal. I experienced the futility of this scenario myself when I went up against a former employer for real damages (while working for them, they shipped my belongings to a foreign country and stored them in an unsecured location which THEY selected and controlled - after which everything I owned was looted and lost). I got back only a tiny fraction of the value of the possessions I lost, and what I did get back went mostly to my attorney. But it was all I could get, because the company threatened that if I declined the ridiculously small settlement they offered me in payment for their gross negligence, they would bury me in litigation and I would ultimately spend WAY more than all of my possessions were worth and would likely never collect a dime).
So you can't even BEGIN to make the argument to me that I could EVER get anything approaching the sort of 'justice' big corporations get all the time when/if I ever need another day in court. And that therefore, I should feel differently than I do about this litigation against Pirate Bay.
PLU-ESE.
You know damn well that any one of these big corporations would squish me like a BUG in court, no matter how just my cause. I would GET no justice, more than likely. Because David and Goliath does NOT, in fact, happen every day.
Blab on all you want about the 'fallacies' of everyone else's arguments.
But the 'fallacy' YOU have assumed here is that everyone in this thread who thinks all of these governmental resources could have been better spent (especially given the fact that a) Pirate Bay is still operational and will be for the foreseeable future and b) the defendants likely do not have the money to pay any damages anyway) thinks so because they are a 'parasite' (a flame, by the way - from where I sit, you flamed everyone in this thread) who spends all of their time illegally downloading stuff and never pays for anything.
But you know what? You are WRONG.
I myself have THOUSANDS of DVDs and CDs - all of which where quite legally purchased. Shit - I have so many DVDs that I had to move house two years ago, mainly to accommodate my extensive book and DVD collection. And again - we are talking about DVDs purchased from Best Buy, Amazon, and Deep Discount DVD. NOT downloaded from Pirate Bay.
So how about you get off that high horse of yours and quit making assumptions and generalizations about the motivations of people posting here and flaming them, simply because they hold an opinion different from your own? I have just as much right as you have to think what I like about the ultimate value of any given litigation. And I don't appreciate being insulted for speaking my peace.
And no - I don't give a shit about the record companies and the studios spending money on this. That is their right (a right which I AM PAYING FOR, BY THE WAY - EVERY TIME I PURCHASE one of the several DVDs, iTunes releases, or CDs I buy with my hard-earned CASH every month).
No...the studios can spend just as much money on lawyers as they do on royalty payments to artists, as far as I'm concerned. I mean, lawyers gotta eat too.
But what I DO give a shit about is the fact that the Swedish government has wasted vast quantities of resources on this issue, appeasing the studios, when there are criminals running around free in that country, terrorizing people I care about. People who are having to wait months, and even YEARS to get a wacko locked up who everyone in that town knows needs to be thrown in prison. And should have been in prison YEARS ago by all accounts.I don't know if you have ever been harassed and stalked - but I have. And I can tell you that it is a TERRIFYING experience. And so yes - I believe that the safety of citizens should be prioritized above making American record companies half a world away happy with what amounts to little more than a moral victory.
Because after all of this effort and mobilization of resources - which is STILL not over and won't be for years, if ever - NOTHING has changed except a few nerds are facing a year in jail. Big frakkin woop.
Pirate Bay is still operational and likely will be for the forseeable future, as are the hundreds (thousands?) of other torrent sites all over the net.
This suit was like trying to hold back a flood by sticking a finger in a failing dam that is 10 miles long. And you know that just as well as I do. And so, if the record companies and studios want to waste their resources, I suppose that's fine with me as it's not hurting anyone else (unless they raise their prices - in which case, I will quit buying their products). But when so many governmental resources are sucked into it, that is an entirely different manner.
And excuse me for saying so, but unlike YOU, I believe that the physical saftey of of a country's citizens should be of higher priority to a governement than should be cooperating in this massively expensive exercise in futility which changes...well, NOTHING.
Oh...and by the way, another fallacy you assumed in your holier-than-thou diatribe is that the little people - the regular citizens of this country who have limited recources - have any sort of REAL shot at justice and that we should defend that shot for ourselves by defending the rights of the major corporations to have THEIR day in court. You seriously assume that the legal system would actually give PKTrekGirl a shot equal to the shot they give the record companies and other major corporations, should my own rights be abrided. And that by defending and supporting the record companies, I am in fact defending my OWN rights.
The utter naivety of that assumption is so astounding that I am shocked that an educated individual would espouse it. Because at least in the U.S., you get JUST as much 'justice' as you are able to pay for. And no more. And excuse me for saying so, but any dope with a 2nd grade education who has ever been in jail knows THAT much.
There IS no 'justice' - especially in civil litigation, for the little guys. Not in the U.S. - and not when said little guys are going up against huge corporations with ARMIES of lawyers and stacks of money at their disposal. I experienced the futility of this scenario myself when I went up against a former employer for real damages (while working for them, they shipped my belongings to a foreign country and stored them in an unsecured location which THEY selected and controlled - after which everything I owned was looted and lost). I got back only a tiny fraction of the value of the possessions I lost, and what I did get back went mostly to my attorney. But it was all I could get, because the company threatened that if I declined the ridiculously small settlement they offered me in payment for their gross negligence, they would bury me in litigation and I would ultimately spend WAY more than all of my possessions were worth and would likely never collect a dime).
So you can't even BEGIN to make the argument to me that I could EVER get anything approaching the sort of 'justice' big corporations get all the time when/if I ever need another day in court. And that therefore, I should feel differently than I do about this litigation against Pirate Bay.
PLU-ESE.
You know damn well that any one of these big corporations would squish me like a BUG in court, no matter how just my cause. I would GET no justice, more than likely. Because David and Goliath does NOT, in fact, happen every day.
Re: Pirate Bay founders jailed for a year and ordered to pay £2.5 mill
Actually, you have no way of knowing the validity of your assertion. It could be a photo in public domain. Might not even be of Kirk. Likewise, the headshot of Arnold could be a public domain publicity shot.
Therefore, if you don't know the legal status of you're pouncing on, don't.
And I hope the freaking pirates get heftier fines and longer prison terms. It's theft. Period.
--Ted (who doesn't create artistic material only to have snot-nosed punks steal my livelihood away from me)
Actually, you have no way of knowing the validity of your assertion. It could be a photo in public domain. Might not even be of Kirk. Likewise, the headshot of Arnold could be a public domain publicity shot.
Therefore, if you don't know the legal status of you're pouncing on, don't.
And I hope the freaking pirates get heftier fines and longer prison terms. It's theft. Period.
--Ted (who doesn't create artistic material only to have snot-nosed punks steal my livelihood away from me)