Babies in prison
- Thread starter Miss Chicken
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WOW! I'm going to have to think about this one! man that's just harsh!
For me it would depend on if the mother is capable of taking care of there child or not!
NO ACROSS THE BOARD
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Garrovick
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Babies being breast fed have no idea where they are. It affects them zero. Health wise, though, it's probably good.
Eh, just pick up the DVD and have a go. 
I agree, which is why I think for the first six months or so it would be OK for a woman in prison to be with her child. I know prison should be punishment for the mother, and mothers with grown children don't get to see their kids every day, but there is not always a father or other family to take care of the baby and the benefits of a child interacting with its mother and breast-feeding in early months are well documented. If it's a small gesture that might prevent that kid from also growing up to go to jail it's worth it. Unless she's potentially dangerous to the baby of course, that would be up to a judge.
How is 'Babies in Prison' not a Lifetime movie of the week already?
Or better yet: 'Oz - The Early Years.' Strangling each other with their umbilical cords, shanking rival baby gangs with their filed down rattles. It would be glorious.
I don't see a problem with allowing the mothers and their infants to remain in a special ward isolated from the rest of the prison so they can bond and breastfeed, so long as the safety of the infant is considered a top priority (as well as can be done within the grounds of a prison, obviously - though maybe a better option is a completely separate facility they can be transferred to temporarily).
Of course, you'll inevitably end up with a few selfish assholes like these women placing their babies in harm's way, but in general the vast majority of prisoners would not place their children at risk like that to ensure their escape, so it shouldn't invalidate the whole program, which is likely good for both baby's and mother's mental and physical health.
Or better yet: 'Oz - The Early Years.' Strangling each other with their umbilical cords, shanking rival baby gangs with their filed down rattles. It would be glorious.
I don't see a problem with allowing the mothers and their infants to remain in a special ward isolated from the rest of the prison so they can bond and breastfeed, so long as the safety of the infant is considered a top priority (as well as can be done within the grounds of a prison, obviously - though maybe a better option is a completely separate facility they can be transferred to temporarily).
Of course, you'll inevitably end up with a few selfish assholes like these women placing their babies in harm's way, but in general the vast majority of prisoners would not place their children at risk like that to ensure their escape, so it shouldn't invalidate the whole program, which is likely good for both baby's and mother's mental and physical health.
While looking into this I came across this article about a program in California that allows mothers that have been convicted of non-violent crimes to keep one or two children with them up to the age of six.
In the article it states
I think that the Victim's Right Advocate is not taking the babies into account. The babies should not be punished for their mothers' crimes and I think allowing them to stay with a mother who loves them would usually be a better than placing them in the welfare system.
In the article it states
I think that the Victim's Right Advocate is not taking the babies into account. The babies should not be punished for their mothers' crimes and I think allowing them to stay with a mother who loves them would usually be a better than placing them in the welfare system.
Absolutely. And if they were thinking ahead at all beyond being concerned for simple punishment, how do they think dumping the kid into the system where they often turn to a life of crime themselves is in the best interests of the victims and potential future victims they advocate for?
Personally, I have no interest in prison being for punishment. IMHO, prison should serve two purposes:
Rehabilitation, which should include education and skills training, substance abuse programs, psychiatric councelling as well as basic exercise and life skills like personal finance, household budgets and time management.
Protection for Society, which should keep offenders off the streets until they can show that they are not likely to reoffend. For some offenders, that may take a week, for some 20 years, for some never. It should not be tied to the severity of the crime, except where it would be absurd like someone stealing an apple and showing no remorse.
Prisons should be clean, basic but not unpleasant. If they were all about what I describe, then there's no reason a baby or toddler shouldn't be there with it's mother for a short period, it should be no different an atmosphere than a boarding school.
The problem for a child, as opposed to a baby, is that they will get little or no socialization with other children, unless there is some kind of on-site daycare with multiple age groups, which isn't a given (depends on whether enough mothers are incarcerated). An older child will also get a stigma of being a "prison child", or have to lie like hell when they are moved into the regular school system.
So I would say a cut off age around 3 would be appropriate, but there should be no reason, in a system set up they way I'd want, why there couldn't be regular extended visits.
That's false, very young children need constant affection thrown their way and if it is not it can affect them for the rest of their lives. As to the question, it depends on the type of crime.
Rii
Rear Admiral
I think he meant that the baby being in prison wouldn't affect it.
AH! Thank you, that makes much more sense.
It's (imo) all about the needs of the infant, and as you quote from the article:
Now, I'm not an expert in breastfeeding, but I suppose they have such experts and that the six months has been deemed sufficient for the baby's health.
So I suppose the only thing remaining is to hire some more guards.
Mary Poppins would slap the shit out of you for that."Babies in prison"
Damn right. Fuckers pissing and shitting where they like, puking up on people, and bawling at the top of their lungs. Stick them in prison and throw away the key.
