I do too.
Terminator-221 "Adam Raised a Cain" - Dicuss/Grade
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I do too.
Um, Tasha died "fighting" while helping to rescue two crewmates. Both deaths were definitely "pointless".
The biggest difference between the deaths is that TNG managed to at least question the repercussions of it, while SCC just kinda glazed over it. Another difference is that Derek's death was probably a lot easier prevented with better planning.
Tasha Yar was killed to make an example. She wasn't fighting for anything.
She was fighting for her crew mates.
Derek wasn't technically fighting for anything either by your definition.
Both Tasha and Derek never even had a chance to fight. They were both killed unexpectedly on a mission to save someone. I don't see how these can be considered that drastically different.
Derek wasn't technically fighting for anything either by your definition.
Both Tasha and Derek never even had a chance to fight. They were both killed unexpectedly on a mission to save someone. I don't see how these can be considered that drastically different.
So are people here arguing that Derek needed a death scene where he got to proclaim: "Look at me, people! My name is Derek Reese and I'm going to die a noble and selfless death to save you all! Remember my name and my face, for I'm not looking for credit here for what I'm doing. Me, Derek Reese! Remember, this is me being completely selfless and heroic!"
Well, if Derek was Kyle sure. but Derek is faceless and unimportant to history. His death had to be mundane to make everyone else seem... he was one of the little people no matter how hard he tried, and he didn't try. He knew hs place. Get the job done, glory is for some other bastard.
After I got over the shock, I realized that anything short of a simple death would have made the show seem like a cartoon full of blunt hammer fisted metaphors. This sort of exit showed a maturity form the producers that they didn't have to prove they were clever.
If they would have taken this thinking one step further, then Derek would have been caught inbetween and been swiss perforate by two knife fighting Pimps amid amok a boarder skirmish about wandering hos wandering where they damn well bloody shouldn't on the way to this final adventure.
After I got over the shock, I realized that anything short of a simple death would have made the show seem like a cartoon full of blunt hammer fisted metaphors. This sort of exit showed a maturity form the producers that they didn't have to prove they were clever.
If they would have taken this thinking one step further, then Derek would have been caught inbetween and been swiss perforate by two knife fighting Pimps amid amok a boarder skirmish about wandering hos wandering where they damn well bloody shouldn't on the way to this final adventure.
Didn't they already kind of do that the week before with Charlie's death? He died protecting John so he could get away on the boat. Haha, not exactly like that now that I re-read the quote. But you catch my drift.
I very much disagree (open for debate, of course).
He was the true Derek, before he even met John Connor, I think. We were never told how they met, this could very well be the official meeting of Derek and John Connor.
We learned how they met in Season One.
Through Kyle after Kyle rescued John from Century Work Camp.
My understanding was that the reason that Derek had never heard of John Connor was that there was no John Connor in the timeline they went to. John and Weaver, in the very act of traveling into the future, ended up in a world where John Connor never became leader of the resistance, by virtue of vanishing into thin air in 2009. So much for Connor being the irreplaceable linchpin in the war against Skynet.
Though, actually, I guess it wasn't so much that he was irreplaceable as that they knew they won with John Connor leading them, and that letting Skynet kill him in advance meant hoping that whoever became the leader of the resistance in his absence would be just as effective.
Though, actually, I guess it wasn't so much that he was irreplaceable as that they knew they won with John Connor leading them, and that letting Skynet kill him in advance meant hoping that whoever became the leader of the resistance in his absence would be just as effective.
Checkmate
Commodore
You're grossly misremembering the episode, then. She was all "I'm going to walk over here, please don't hurt me." <BAM!> While the bad guy is all "rofl, i r evill lol, c!!!1!!!" That's nothing at all like how Derek died. He was in there hunting down the enemy while trying to rescue a little girl, and he died doing exactly that.
Just because they were both deaths that were sudden and unexpected, that doesn't make them at all similar.
That was correct.
Called it! HAH! and I wonder exactly how many "John Connor"'s that SKYnet has sent machines after, John is one man who struck back and rallied humanity to fight, carismatic? yes, replaceable? yes
That's The paradox isn't it... trek was great for that... now that john connor has traveled forward in time... that alone negated the reason for skynet to send terminators after him. skynet now should have zero information about john connor and his abilities.
You're splitting hairs. Your original statement was that Derek's death was totally unlike Tasha's because he was trying to rescue Savannah. I said that Tasha was trying to save two crewmen, which totally debunks your point. They are alike in so many ways that I'm not even sure how anyone can discount it. For that matter, it doesn't even make sense to try and discount it unless you were just trying to make some sideways point about the directorial style of Derek's death being ok.
God folks, I can't believe you're argueing over this point, that is so 1988.
If one has to go back 21 years to find a "somewhat similar" incident in filmed entertainment then you all havw too much time on your hands, no pun intended.
