World Premiere/Advance screening discussions [SPOILERS GUARANTEED]

[Lazerlike42]

I think it's ironic that many of the folks who hated Enterprise are very excited about a film based on the single worst part of Enterprise: all the time travel.

It's vanishingly unlikely that this movie is based on Enterprise in any way. The authors have mentioned "Yesterday's Enterprise" as an inspiration and a favorite episode, which you might recall turns upon a Federation history and starship Enterprise altered by accidental time travel.

Oh I didn't mean inspired by Enterprise. I just found of all the things about Enterprise that were negative, the use of time travel left and right was by far the worst. My point was that this movie also is based on time travel - whether the inspiration was Yesterday's Enterprise, the Temporal Cold War, or Doc Brown and Marty McFly.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Yeah, but pointing to Enterprise and describing time travel as "the worst aspect" is somewhat misleading as regards this movie, considering how very popular their actual inspiration, "Yesterday's Enterprise," was. Or how popular "City On The Edge Of Forever" is. Or how popular Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home is. Or...

 

[Franklin]

OK. Not to interrupt a very erudite series of posts, but I'll ask one more time, then stop so I'm not spamming. This is supposed to be a thread with spoilers. Someone out there lurking knows the answer to my question. I only want to know one thing: WHERE'S THE TRIBBLE? Thank you. Good night.

 

[urbandk]

Yeah, but pointing to Enterprise and describing time travel as "the worst aspect" is somewhat misleading as regards this movie, considering how very popular their actual inspiration, "Yesterday's Enterprise," was. Or how popular "City On The Edge Of Forever" is. Or how popular Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home is. Or...

in addition, time travel is handles differently from every episode except Parallels

this is actually one of the few times they use time travel that doesn't stretch the limits of plausibiltiy.

 

[urbandk]

OK. Not to interrupt a very erudite series of posts, but I'll ask one more time, then stop so I'm not spamming. This is supposed to be a thread with spoilers. Someone out there lurking knows the answer to my question. I only want to know one thing: WHERE'S THE TRIBBLE? Thank you. Good night.

don't know. i think i missed it. i think all the references to other shows are easter eggs... like the picard manoeuvre.

 

[Lazerlike42]

OK. Not to interrupt a very erudite series of posts, but I'll ask one more time, then stop so I'm not spamming. This is supposed to be a thread with spoilers. Someone out there lurking knows the answer to my question. I only want to know one thing: WHERE'S THE TRIBBLE? Thank you. Good night.

I believe it is in the bar.

 

[Borgminister]

OK. Not to interrupt a very erudite series of posts, but I'll ask one more time, then stop so I'm not spamming. This is supposed to be a thread with spoilers. Someone out there lurking knows the answer to my question. I only want to know one thing: WHERE'S THE TRIBBLE? Thank you. Good night.

I believe it is in the bar.

It's one of the farm animals Kirk had sex with.

 

[M'Sharak]

OK. Not to interrupt a very erudite series of posts, but I'll ask one more time, then stop so I'm not spamming. This is supposed to be a thread with spoilers. Someone out there lurking knows the answer to my question. I only want to know one thing: WHERE'S THE TRIBBLE? Thank you. Good night.

I haven't seen the movie, and so don't know, but I do recall an interview some time a go where J.J. Abrams said that yes, there was a tribble in the movie, and that no, it wouldn't be obvious -- you'd have to look for it.

 

[section9]

I like what was said before. How do we know that the surviving vulcans, which could perhaps number in the millions or billions, depending on how many got off in time...could set up shop on a different world and be alright in the organizational sense within the Federation. Sure it would be a huge blow, but not the end of the universe.

Besides, this is a cool idea. How many villians have tried to go back in time in Trek and change things only to get this close but in the end fail and everything is reset.

Nero is different. He travels back accidently and immediately destroys the Kelvin, and then goes to work on other worlds and ships. So he partially succeeds. He is able to change the timeline to some degree. If time travel were possible, someone would eventually change the timeline. I don't know why this is so horrible to accept.

I still wouldn't agree with, but could understand some fan's sentiments if they changed everything without even trying to give an explanation.
This movie looks like it is going to be fun!!!

It isn't that he changed things. Nero destroys 47 Klingon ships (and alters God knows how many futures) as well as changing the one life of James T. Kirk. That's quite a bit, right there.

But destroying Vulcan as part of the story? Why? To what end? First, it means Nero succeeded. He wins. You take Romulus, I take Vulcan. Second, Kirk's first mission as a leader is a failure. He couldn't stop several billion people from being killed. (Sorry, I can't buy the idea that the planet could be evacuated of too many people on such short notice, only a few hundred or thousand at most may make it.) Third, wouldn't such a loss drive Spock insane? People who lose one loved one, or lose house to a tornado or fire can be changed forever, and usually not for the good. Spock shrugs this off? The loss of HIS ENTIRE HOMEWORLD? Or, has the character been rewritten?

What if Picard and Kirk had stopped Soran, but not before he had destroyed a planet of two billion people? What if V-Ger had been stopped after it destroyed Earth? What would that have said about our heroes? Is it because Kirk at least saves Earth that all is OK?

Further, how should Kirk feel about his first mission? Mixed results at best. Looking back on it, what would he think about it? No guilt every time he looks at Spock? No sense of great loss? No playing back in his mind over and over again what could've been done to save an ENTIRE PLANET OF PEOPLE?

I don't care if it's a reboot. Never really have. And, I want to enjoy the movie. But Nero destroying Vulcan makes it FAIL for our heroes, to me, anyway. They figured out the incredible V-Ger and saved Earth. They figured out the mysterious probe in TVH and saved Earth. But they couldn't stop a 24th century miner before he committed the most heinous act in the galaxy.

Thanks for the rant.

One of the things that made Episode IV work so well in the epic Summer of 1977 were the stakes. The heroes were knocking over Stormtroopers like tenpins. But, and then there was a huge but, Grand Moff Tarkin had to demonstrate the power of the new battlestation against Alderaan.

No stakes, no reward for taking down the bad guy when he tries to destroy Earth.

 

[Lazerlike42]

I like what was said before. How do we know that the surviving vulcans, which could perhaps number in the millions or billions, depending on how many got off in time...could set up shop on a different world and be alright in the organizational sense within the Federation. Sure it would be a huge blow, but not the end of the universe.

Besides, this is a cool idea. How many villians have tried to go back in time in Trek and change things only to get this close but in the end fail and everything is reset.

Nero is different. He travels back accidently and immediately destroys the Kelvin, and then goes to work on other worlds and ships. So he partially succeeds. He is able to change the timeline to some degree. If time travel were possible, someone would eventually change the timeline. I don't know why this is so horrible to accept.

I still wouldn't agree with, but could understand some fan's sentiments if they changed everything without even trying to give an explanation.
This movie looks like it is going to be fun!!!

It isn't that he changed things. Nero destroys 47 Klingon ships (and alters God knows how many futures) as well as changing the one life of James T. Kirk. That's quite a bit, right there.

But destroying Vulcan as part of the story? Why? To what end? First, it means Nero succeeded. He wins. You take Romulus, I take Vulcan. Second, Kirk's first mission as a leader is a failure. He couldn't stop several billion people from being killed. (Sorry, I can't buy the idea that the planet could be evacuated of too many people on such short notice, only a few hundred or thousand at most may make it.) Third, wouldn't such a loss drive Spock insane? People who lose one loved one, or lose house to a tornado or fire can be changed forever, and usually not for the good. Spock shrugs this off? The loss of HIS ENTIRE HOMEWORLD? Or, has the character been rewritten?

What if Picard and Kirk had stopped Soran, but not before he had destroyed a planet of two billion people? What if V-Ger had been stopped after it destroyed Earth? What would that have said about our heroes? Is it because Kirk at least saves Earth that all is OK?

Further, how should Kirk feel about his first mission? Mixed results at best. Looking back on it, what would he think about it? No guilt every time he looks at Spock? No sense of great loss? No playing back in his mind over and over again what could've been done to save an ENTIRE PLANET OF PEOPLE?

I don't care if it's a reboot. Never really have. And, I want to enjoy the movie. But Nero destroying Vulcan makes it FAIL for our heroes, to me, anyway. They figured out the incredible V-Ger and saved Earth. They figured out the mysterious probe in TVH and saved Earth. But they couldn't stop a 24th century miner before he committed the most heinous act in the galaxy.

Thanks for the rant.

One of the things that made Episode IV work so well in the epic Summer of 1977 were the stakes. The heroes were knocking over Stormtroopers like tenpins. But, and then there was a huge but, Grand Moff Tarkin had to demonstrate the power of the new battlestation against Alderaan.

No stakes, no reward for taking down the bad guy when he tries to destroy Earth.

Certainly, but surely Nero could have destroyed some other planet that is not so central to the Trek Universe. There's a big difference between destroying Alderaan, a planet which nobody had ever heard of until 5 minutes before it's demise, and Vulcan, a planet so iconic that even non-Trek fans know about it to at least some small degree.

The more I think about this, the more I honestly think I could get on board with seeing what Abrams does with this new timeline, but knocking off Vulcan is a huge, gigantic item which is very hard to get past.

 

[Admiral James Kirk]

I don't think Abrams was ambitious enough. Destroying Vulcan is all right but destroying Earth! Hoo-Baby! Not threatening to do it as in TMP, TVH, FC and NEM but actually destroying the fuckin' place! That's the way to up them stakes and show everybody that this ain't our daddy's Star Trek! The human adventure is ju-- OH FUCK!

 

[Kokomo]

Can someone who saw the movie PLEASE tell me how Kirk and Spock first meet in the new movie? What is their first encounter with each other?

 

[Kelso]

knocking off Vulcan is a huge, gigantic item which is very hard to get past.

That's why it's brilliant.

 

[Lazerlike42]

knocking off Vulcan is a huge, gigantic item which is very hard to get past.

That's why it's brilliant.

If you buy into what I consider to be the bane of modern entertainment, namely, the idea that to be entertaining you need to be shocking, edgy, or push the envelope in some way. People don't just tell good stories anymore. They always have to get some artificial kick by adding some sort of bombshell. Far from making a good story, it's just serves as an excuse to be lazy about the story, because the big kicker will make it good.

And oddly enough, the one criticism that is constant in all the reviews so far is that the story does seem a bit lazy.

 

[tauntme]

Actually, only a couple of reviews remarked on that, while the rest was completely opposite.

 

[Captain X]

I have a question: Does Nero know he's traveled back in time into a different universe than the one he started out in, or does he just not care that the people he's taking revenge on had nothing to do with the destruction of Romulus and that the people he blames are actually all just fine back in the original continuity?

 

[ralph]

Who is Cyrano Jones?
I saw his name in Star Trek World Premiere with Leonard Nimoy.
"Awasoruk Jam"
written and performed by Cyrano Jones
courtesy of Bad Robot Music and Video LLC

 

[VOODOOXI]

How big of a role does Leonard Nimoy have?

To those of you who have seen the film. How big of a role does Leonard Nimoy have?

Is he important to the story or is his part a glorified cameo? My guess is that he has a rather important role in the film and about 20 minutes screen time. Am I correct?

 

[Skywalker]

Re: How big of a role does Leonard Nimoy have?

We have a spoiler thread for questions like this.

 

[cynical dreamer]

Does the Federation Timeship Relativity (aka the 'USS Reset Button') swoop in at the end of the film and set everything back to the way it was before Nero goes back in time?

Just kidding, well sort of. One thing i've given up is overanalyzing the time travel plot of the film as was the case with First Contact which had logic holes the size of small moons yet was still a great ride of a film. Everything i've seen of Trek XI so far looks great and i definately get a "this is what it would be like if something like 'Yesterday's Enterprise' were done minus the reset button. And that, actually has me pretty excited as to the possibilities for the future.

p.s. Those who have seen the film already are lucky bastards and i hate you all...... just sayin