Your Box office Predictions for Star Trek? (and box office tracking)
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darkwing_duck1
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Re: What are your Box office Predictions for Star Trek?
Studios don't consider merchandising revenue in the profit/loss for a movie, just domestic box, foreign box, and (now) video.
There have only been THREE merchandising powerhouses: Star Wars, Transformers, and GI Joe (modern). The last two were DESIGNED to be "toy sales oriented".
Studios don't consider merchandising revenue in the profit/loss for a movie, just domestic box, foreign box, and (now) video.
There have only been THREE merchandising powerhouses: Star Wars, Transformers, and GI Joe (modern). The last two were DESIGNED to be "toy sales oriented".
Re: What are your Box office Predictions for Star Trek?
I hope you are right, and in numbers that make a difference.
I think the opposite is true--if it is a good action film with a simple, yet coherent story, more people will see it, and fewer trekkies.
Box office receipts like that will kill Trek as a movie franchise.
I hope you are right, and in numbers that make a difference.
I think the opposite is true--if it is a good action film with a simple, yet coherent story, more people will see it, and fewer trekkies.
Box office receipts like that will kill Trek as a movie franchise.
Re: What are your Box office Predictions for Star Trek?
There will be always be people, who hate spaceoperas, even with excellent story and action... They see "star" in the name and say: "Eww, more stupid space shooting and blah blah nerdyness..."
Just hate when they say that
There will be always be people, who hate spaceoperas, even with excellent story and action... They see "star" in the name and say: "Eww, more stupid space shooting and blah blah nerdyness..."
Just hate when they say that
Re: What are your Box office Predictions for Star Trek?
Star Wars.
There will be always be people, who hate spaceoperas, even with excellent story and action... They see "star" in the name and say: "Eww, more stupid space shooting and blah blah nerdyness..."
Just hate when they say that
Star Wars.
darkwing_duck1
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Re: What are your Box office Predictions for Star Trek?
Where are you getting THAT from? Paramount has said it's "target" for going ahead with a sequel is ~$300 million (~2x budget). All three of those movies meet that criteria. Two of them DOUBLE it.
Where are you getting THAT from? Paramount has said it's "target" for going ahead with a sequel is ~$300 million (~2x budget). All three of those movies meet that criteria. Two of them DOUBLE it.
Re: What are your Box office Predictions for Star Trek?
Misread it then, my bad. What I mean is a 150 million take isn't good enough. Not sure about what the figures mean.
Also Will Smith is a huge box office draw; big enough to afford vanity films that still don't flop.
I want this thing to do huge numbers; I'm just concerned it won't.
Misread it then, my bad. What I mean is a 150 million take isn't good enough. Not sure about what the figures mean.
Also Will Smith is a huge box office draw; big enough to afford vanity films that still don't flop.
I want this thing to do huge numbers; I'm just concerned it won't.
Re: What are your Box office Predictions for Star Trek?
Haven't Paramount already greenlit the sequel??
I'm assuming they've done that based on intensive market research and projections about how much money Star Trek is likely to make, and if those projections are enough to keep Paramount satisfied, I can't see the film being a bomb.
I'm going to make an educated guess here and say they're satisfied its going to cover it's budget in US box office sales alone - so that gives us a domestic gross of at least $150 million.
I personally think it's going to do better than that, as it does seem to be reaching out to the mainstream audience, and more importantly, making a connection. To illustrate this connection, a local radio DJ here in Glasgow (that's in the United Kingdom, for some of our geographically challenged American friends
) mentioned the fact that the sequel had already been greenlit, and how she hated "everything about Star Trek", but that she was "definitely going to see this one". That pretty much gels with the opinions of my friends, most of whom hate Star Trek as it was presented on television (particularly in Voyager and Enterprise) and in the TNG movies, but remember the TOS movies quite fondly from when they were children, and are actually keen to see the new movie.
I think it'll be a solid hit, both at the US box office and internationally, potentially pulling in the same sort of figures as Batman Begins.
Haven't Paramount already greenlit the sequel??
I'm assuming they've done that based on intensive market research and projections about how much money Star Trek is likely to make, and if those projections are enough to keep Paramount satisfied, I can't see the film being a bomb.
I'm going to make an educated guess here and say they're satisfied its going to cover it's budget in US box office sales alone - so that gives us a domestic gross of at least $150 million.
I personally think it's going to do better than that, as it does seem to be reaching out to the mainstream audience, and more importantly, making a connection. To illustrate this connection, a local radio DJ here in Glasgow (that's in the United Kingdom, for some of our geographically challenged American friends
) mentioned the fact that the sequel had already been greenlit, and how she hated "everything about Star Trek", but that she was "definitely going to see this one". That pretty much gels with the opinions of my friends, most of whom hate Star Trek as it was presented on television (particularly in Voyager and Enterprise) and in the TNG movies, but remember the TOS movies quite fondly from when they were children, and are actually keen to see the new movie.I think it'll be a solid hit, both at the US box office and internationally, potentially pulling in the same sort of figures as Batman Begins.
Re: What are your Box office Predictions for Star Trek?
I'd say "yellow-lit" right now; they can always pull the plug if the movie fares badly.
Which I hope it doesn't. Maybe the time is right for everything old is new again to rub off on Trek.
I'd say "yellow-lit" right now; they can always pull the plug if the movie fares badly.
Which I hope it doesn't. Maybe the time is right for everything old is new again to rub off on Trek.
darkwing_duck1
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Re: What are your Box office Predictions for Star Trek?
The !50 million figure was the budget (for Hancock).
The Box Office was 600 million.
As I said earlier, I think it'll do ~$225 million or so at best. The problem is the $150 million BUDGET.
This is where Paramount shot itself in the foot by disbanding the "Star Trek office" and dumping their inventory. They could make Trek films cheaper than other movies because they had a HUGE catalogue of stored set pieces, costumes, and props to pull from and modify. They had an in-house production team that was used to getting feature-film results on a TV shoestring budget.
The !50 million figure was the budget (for Hancock).
The Box Office was 600 million.
As I said earlier, I think it'll do ~$225 million or so at best. The problem is the $150 million BUDGET.
This is where Paramount shot itself in the foot by disbanding the "Star Trek office" and dumping their inventory. They could make Trek films cheaper than other movies because they had a HUGE catalogue of stored set pieces, costumes, and props to pull from and modify. They had an in-house production team that was used to getting feature-film results on a TV shoestring budget.
Re: What are your Box office Predictions for Star Trek?
The last thing we needed was another movie with reused/modified old props and sets and something that looks like it was made on a shoe string budget.
If Paramount did something right for once, it was starting fresh and from zero. Even if the film fails financially, in my opinion it was absolutely the right and only way to try and make a new Trek film that aims to revive the franchise.
Dear god, no.
The last thing we needed was another movie with reused/modified old props and sets and something that looks like it was made on a shoe string budget.
If Paramount did something right for once, it was starting fresh and from zero. Even if the film fails financially, in my opinion it was absolutely the right and only way to try and make a new Trek film that aims to revive the franchise.
darkwing_duck1
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Re: What are your Box office Predictions for Star Trek?
There was absolutely NOTHING wrong with the physical look of the previous Trek movies. (or the serieses either).
The reason that they looked so good was BECAUSE of creative use of inventory. The production team could get $1.75 or more "bang" for each production dollar by remodeling, or rearranging the stocks on hand.
The Trek films in particular would not have been considered the money makers they were without the boost that "recycling" gave their budgets. The amount of money saved just on Bridges over the years was ENORMOUS.
There was absolutely NOTHING wrong with the physical look of the previous Trek movies. (or the serieses either).
The reason that they looked so good was BECAUSE of creative use of inventory. The production team could get $1.75 or more "bang" for each production dollar by remodeling, or rearranging the stocks on hand.
The Trek films in particular would not have been considered the money makers they were without the boost that "recycling" gave their budgets. The amount of money saved just on Bridges over the years was ENORMOUS.
Re: What are your Box office Predictions for Star Trek?
"Quote:
I think the opposite is true--if it is a good action film with a simple, yet coherent story, more people will see it, and fewer trekkies."
I said Pure action for a reason, i want it to be like you described... i DO NOT want it to be like Indiana Jones 4.
Man, i think the budjet is good. The biggest(or at least one of the) downer of star trek is the crappy props... great for tv shows but nemisis shows the down side.
Personally 150m is a little high, but, after seeing the star ship battle I think its perfect. Any movie with a really decent Star ship battle is going to get cash cause quit simply it hasn't been done before(even star wars 3 was short).
In short, budget is perfect (looking at earlier posted returns on similar films... sorry but i think Star trek can have the same rep as will smith - or better), the CGI will bring in big bucks (i love it), All the story line has to do is not piss anyone off (good luck with that).
Lets just hope it does not become another 'stealth' (cost 138m, return 76m).
EDIT:
F___ It, (unless swearing is not aloud then I mean 'Dang it'), I reckon the $1-1.2 Billion dollar mark.
Let the combined forces of sci-fi repeat viewers and dumb action sucking masses unite!
Edit... Views http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films
"Quote:
I think the opposite is true--if it is a good action film with a simple, yet coherent story, more people will see it, and fewer trekkies."
I said Pure action for a reason, i want it to be like you described... i DO NOT want it to be like Indiana Jones 4.
Man, i think the budjet is good. The biggest(or at least one of the) downer of star trek is the crappy props... great for tv shows but nemisis shows the down side.
Personally 150m is a little high, but, after seeing the star ship battle I think its perfect. Any movie with a really decent Star ship battle is going to get cash cause quit simply it hasn't been done before(even star wars 3 was short).
In short, budget is perfect (looking at earlier posted returns on similar films... sorry but i think Star trek can have the same rep as will smith - or better), the CGI will bring in big bucks (i love it), All the story line has to do is not piss anyone off (good luck with that).
Lets just hope it does not become another 'stealth' (cost 138m, return 76m).
EDIT:
F___ It, (unless swearing is not aloud then I mean 'Dang it'), I reckon the $1-1.2 Billion dollar mark.
Let the combined forces of sci-fi repeat viewers and dumb action sucking masses unite!
Edit... Views http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films
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Re: What are your Box office Predictions for Star Trek?
I predict big things for this movie. Big box office. It works as action/sci fi/drama spectacle on its own.
It was big budget and it showed. It should get big returns. One thing that limits such action vehicles is appeal to adults. I couldn't care less about Transformers, no matter how cool it looks. Star Trek is a cultural icon in a way that GI JOE, X Men, and Transformers aren't. You could take your grandmother to this movie and she would enjoy it on a level that your teenage brother would not, but both would think it's a good movie.
Whatever residual nerdiness Star Trek has should be wiped out by word of mouth on this one.
I am optimistic.
I predict big things for this movie. Big box office. It works as action/sci fi/drama spectacle on its own.
It was big budget and it showed. It should get big returns. One thing that limits such action vehicles is appeal to adults. I couldn't care less about Transformers, no matter how cool it looks. Star Trek is a cultural icon in a way that GI JOE, X Men, and Transformers aren't. You could take your grandmother to this movie and she would enjoy it on a level that your teenage brother would not, but both would think it's a good movie.
Whatever residual nerdiness Star Trek has should be wiped out by word of mouth on this one.
I am optimistic.
Re: What are your Box office Predictions for Star Trek?
WOW! Just WOW! So sad to see such prejudice and hatred from the other side of the pond. Especially from a supposedly advanced/enlightened Trekkie. King George underestimated us, too... and we know how that turned out for you!...here in Glasgow (that's in the United Kingdom, for some of our geographically challenged American friends
AMEN!! Today's audience may, or may not, be intellectual, but they recognize a cheap, reworked set pretty quickly.
Re: What are your Box office Predictions for Star Trek?
Well, quite a number of educational surveys do bear him out in this regard. And it's not all that difficult to understand.
There are a number of far-away places I hope to visit, finally, in the next few years - places thousands of miles from my home and very different.
All of them are in the United States. We live in one huge-ass country, and you can spend your life exploring it without ever crossing an international border. So it's not too surprising that many Americans don't pay as much attention to other nations as citizens of much smaller countries do, especially Europeans.
WOW! Just WOW! So sad to see such prejudice and hatred from the other side of the pond......here in Glasgow (that's in the United Kingdom, for some of our geographically challenged American friends
Well, quite a number of educational surveys do bear him out in this regard. And it's not all that difficult to understand.
There are a number of far-away places I hope to visit, finally, in the next few years - places thousands of miles from my home and very different.
All of them are in the United States. We live in one huge-ass country, and you can spend your life exploring it without ever crossing an international border. So it's not too surprising that many Americans don't pay as much attention to other nations as citizens of much smaller countries do, especially Europeans.
Re: What are your Box office Predictions for Star Trek?
Many Americans can't find geographic locations in the U.S. on the map, doesn't make me proud.
Many Americans can't find geographic locations in the U.S. on the map, doesn't make me proud.
Re: What are your Box office Predictions for Star Trek?
I don't know what it will make, sometimes I think it will do well, sometimes I think that regardless of how good it is its still Star Trek and they will give it a miss BUT maybe the word of mouth and advertising will make people watch it regardless of what it is, so because I'm not certain I will say:
$150-240 Domestic
$150-200 Overseas
So between $300 and $440 worldwide.
Best I can do ATM!
I don't know what it will make, sometimes I think it will do well, sometimes I think that regardless of how good it is its still Star Trek and they will give it a miss BUT maybe the word of mouth and advertising will make people watch it regardless of what it is, so because I'm not certain I will say:
$150-240 Domestic
$150-200 Overseas
So between $300 and $440 worldwide.
Best I can do ATM!
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