I don't know how much thought you've put into it yet, but for the forward landing gear I would suggest looking at the nose gear of Spaceship One as a source for a possible solution.
Just a thought.
My TOS shuttlecraft (continued)...
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Just a thought.
I was thinking the landing assembly could be a variation of the Class F's strut that from a distance could look remotely similar to what was seen on the TAS ship. I certainly won't be using the cheesy looking ski like landing pads seen on TAS. And the nacelle supports will be something more than just two straight rectangular pieces attached to the hull.
You know, when I look at this thing I can easily see how it could also work with the nacelles slung along the ground like the TOS design. Beef it up and you could have, oh I don't know...a heavy lander?
Great. Just what I need, another intriguing idea.
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Those aren't bulkhead braces, they're the impulse engines that aren't fully detailed yet. Although not discernible from the front or back but will be from the bottom view is that those parts curve rearward from under the stabilizers. And in a properly shadowed view with perspective those pieces would be much less visible.
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^^ No. Staying consistent with what I did with the Class F there won't be an actual viewport at the front. But inside almost the entire forward bulkhead will be a viewscreen that somewhat simulates a forward viewport except that it's fully interactive just like the main viewscreen on the Enterprise's bridge.
And so the final Class F exterior sheets are done.
The final sheets of this project will be hosted on a website. I'll let you folks know when they're up.
Regarding my Class H design. I always hit this at some point when I'm working on something. I work my way towards something I think works and then inevitablly I go through a stage of uncertainty, vacillating between being convinced I'm on the right track and almost sure that it's totally wrong and I don't know what I'm doing. It will eventually pass, yet presently in this case I think the H design is good, but is it really TOS? Perhaps it would be more authentic and convincing if I just tuned the Class F or do a variation of it?
Aaaarrgh!
The final sheets of this project will be hosted on a website. I'll let you folks know when they're up.
Regarding my Class H design. I always hit this at some point when I'm working on something. I work my way towards something I think works and then inevitablly I go through a stage of uncertainty, vacillating between being convinced I'm on the right track and almost sure that it's totally wrong and I don't know what I'm doing. It will eventually pass, yet presently in this case I think the H design is good, but is it really TOS? Perhaps it would be more authentic and convincing if I just tuned the Class F or do a variation of it?
Aaaarrgh!
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As they say the devil is in the details. Too much detailing and the ship wouldn't look TOS like. It's a balancing act.
My initial concept for this had a sloping forward hull similar to the Class F, but I didn't think it looked fresh enough or rather looked too derivative.
Sweet - But the fact that the warp nacelles are not aligned with the hull (or vice versa) is bugging me... Is it your intention that the shuttle travel "leaning forward"?
They're really beautiful! Tremendous, tremendous job! I hope you're proud.
I was giving this some serious thought after I read this, and I honestly can't answer it for you. It is a good design, and I like it and could see it working with TOS. But I could also see something else working too.
My best advice: let it sit for at least a day, maybe even a week. Then come back to it. I always find that I can gain a more objective perspective if I do this, and it sounds like that's what you need.
Actually they are aligned with the hull, but it's a matter of how you look at it. The nacelles are aligned parallel with the lower edge of the stabilizer rim that runs around the hull at about mid point along on side then around the front to the other side. I know what you're saying, but it's an illusion created by the lines of the upper edge of the stabilizer and the top of the hull angled forward. Actually the Class F is oriented much the same way, but it's less noticeable.As they say the devil is in the details. Too much detailing and the ship wouldn't look TOS like. It's a balancing act.
My initial concept for this had a sloping forward hull similar to the Class F, but I didn't think it looked fresh enough or rather looked too derivative.
Sweet - But the fact that the warp nacelles are not aligned with the hull (or vice versa) is bugging me... Is it your intention that the shuttle travel "leaning forward"?
I've been giving this a lot of thought over the Easter weekend and while I rather like this design I'm leaning to going more TOS like and less totally different. By that I mean not just tuning a Class F but rather drawing up something of a hotrod version of it that somewhat resembles an F but there would be no interchangeable parts. And there'd be an aft rear access hatch setup as well as carrying over the basic design of the new nacelles.
Stay tuned. It may come down to a contest.
Stay tuned. It may come down to a contest.
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I really like your design of the Class H. It seems to tie in TOS with TAS with elements of both. It would be great to see this design come to a completion. I have always noticed that your designs envoke a great deal of thought and are not just thrown together and expected to fly. This current design does fly and it makes a great deal of sense. Keep up the great work. 
^^ Thanks. It's a matter of having something that looks like it fits in the TOS universe. The other design looks cool, but it may stray too far afield in its overall look.
This approach goes back to some extent to my initial concept. But back then I merely swapped out the nacelles and landing gear arrangement without any other changes and so I effectively altered the integrity of the design. This newer approach bridges the original Class F and something new by being familiar yet subtly altering the lines and proportions to retain an overall design integrity.
This approach goes back to some extent to my initial concept. But back then I merely swapped out the nacelles and landing gear arrangement without any other changes and so I effectively altered the integrity of the design. This newer approach bridges the original Class F and something new by being familiar yet subtly altering the lines and proportions to retain an overall design integrity.
The more I look at it the more I like it. I may begin tackling the front and rear views as well as top this evening or over the weekend.
Looking at what I have already I know small changes I will make right off. The leading edge of the support pylon will be just a tad less severe. And the grille work on the nacelle will be a bit smaller and angled back a bit. For the forward hull I'm currently thinking of detailing that could look a bit something like the detailing on the forward part of the bridge on the Pike era Enterprise--essentially an arrangement of linework to suggest a sophisticated sensor array. The aft hatch will be two pieces: a lower swing down gangway section and an upper panel that slides open. The upper panel will have one large viewport that could evoke the access hatch viewport seen on the TAS shuttlecraft.
Looking at what I have already I know small changes I will make right off. The leading edge of the support pylon will be just a tad less severe. And the grille work on the nacelle will be a bit smaller and angled back a bit. For the forward hull I'm currently thinking of detailing that could look a bit something like the detailing on the forward part of the bridge on the Pike era Enterprise--essentially an arrangement of linework to suggest a sophisticated sensor array. The aft hatch will be two pieces: a lower swing down gangway section and an upper panel that slides open. The upper panel will have one large viewport that could evoke the access hatch viewport seen on the TAS shuttlecraft.
Excellent work, Warped9!
Looks great, mate!
You know, the previous version of the design design could be pretty good for its TMP-era counterpart (With tweaks).
You know, the previous version of the design design could be pretty good for its TMP-era counterpart (With tweaks).
Yes, the previous version does look more TMP era. Of course, there's no real reason Starfleet couldn't be using shuttlecraft from more than one contractor.
In terms of shuttlecraft in the 23rd century I imagine it could well be like civilian aircraft manufacturing today where there are versions built for military, government, business and industry and civilian uses.
In terms of shuttlecraft in the 23rd century I imagine it could well be like civilian aircraft manufacturing today where there are versions built for military, government, business and industry and civilian uses.
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