USS York - TOS Era Cutter

[Gouf]

This is the 1st or 2 TOS Cutter designs I'm doing.

Model pics can be found here:

http://kitbash.net/scifi/york/york.html

Let me know what you think,
~D.

 

[judexavier]

I believe the proper registration should be NCC-0212.
a little joke there..anyway...

Wow. That is really sharp. I've been playing around with smaller ship designs lately, (with no success) and you've really captured that look. Your modeling skills are very impressive - congrats on the award, well deserved!

(thanks for the step-by-step photos also).

 

[Praetor]

You know, I really like that. It has a 'guppy' feel to the Enterprise's barracuda, that I appreciate.

 

[Patrickivan]

Ahhhh- wook at the cute wittle starship! Who is the cute little starship? Who is the cute little starship. You're the cute little starship! Yes you are!!!

Sorry. I like it, but the nacelle should be a little larger- or there should be two of them. Otherwise, it looks and feels trek! Well done.

 

[Praetor]

I dunno, I thought it was a little cooler because of the small single nacelle.

 

[Johnny]

it looks good, not like a 'find as many pieces from the era as you can and stick em all together' kind of look, instead it's like it should have existed all those years ago. there's definitly thought gone into this one.

 

[Wingsley]

This is an outstanding design.

My hat is off to model builders/kitbashers, especially those who incorporate lights into their models. Your skills are as awe-inspiring to me as the 3D/CG artists seen in this forum.

I agree a second nacelle would give the ship a little more balance. It might also explain how a ship this tiny can hold Warp 8 in the TOS era. (Of course, I'm into symmetry, especially paired nacelles on TREK ships.) One possibility would be a Stargazer-style nacelle arrangement, with one swept back topside and the other swept back beneath. Another possibility would be more of an NX-01-style arrangement, with both nacelles on pylons coming out of a tubular projection out of the aft of the saucer-rim. This York does remind me a little of the NX-01 Enterprise.

A crew of only 20, eh? I would've figured 40 at least. Maybe related to Merrick's S.S. Beagle: "...Class IV star drive vessel, crew of 47..."

In any event, keep up the great work.

 

[miraclefan]

This is the 1st or 2 TOS Cutter designs I'm doing.

Model pics can be found here:

http://kitbash.net/scifi/york/york.html

Let me know what you think,
~D.

May I ask how you got your 1:1000 ENT to light up? what would I need to make something like that? and do you think it could be done on the 1:1000 NX-O1? By the way, that is a VERY sweet mini-ship you have there! Great work of art!

 

[Horizon]

That is VERY cool.

 

[CuttingEdge100]

Not bad

 

[Gouf]

Wow. That is really sharp. ...
(thanks for the step-by-step photos also).

You know, I really like that. It has a 'guppy' feel to the Enterprise's barracuda, that I appreciate.

Thanks Gents. I wanted something a little different.

Sorry. I like it, but the nacelle should be a little larger- or there should be two of them. Otherwise, it looks and feels trek! Well done.

No problem. This is actually the first of 2 cutter designs, this being the smaller of the 2. And great minds think a like, the larger one will have 2 slightly large nacelles and a slightly larger saucer, but retain the same design elements. But use an NX style of configureation similar to what Wingsley had mentioned below:

Another possibility would be more of an NX-01-style arrangement, with both nacelles on pylons coming out of a tubular projection out of the aft of the saucer-rim. This York does remind me a little of the NX-01 Enterprise.

A crew of only 20, eh? I would've figured 40 at least. Maybe related to Merrick's S.S. Beagle: "...Class IV star drive vessel, crew of 47..."

Wingsley, thank you for your kind words. What you described is the 2nd, larger Cutter design I'm building almost to a 'T'. And it's crew will be 47 . The guppie look was what I was going for on this ship. Something that could double as an Federation "inner core" patrol ship and a high speed courier. Basically the smallest Federation vessel with any real warp capability/range.

Horizon and CuttingEdge100. Thank you for your kind words.

May I ask how you got your 1:1000 ENT to light up? what would I need to make something like that? and do you think it could be done on the 1:1000 NX-O1? By the way, that is a VERY sweet mini-ship you have there! Great work of art!

Thank you. It could be done with a 1/1000 NX, thats actually on my project list. Basically, I used a series of LED's and resistors that run back to a headphone style of plug on the base. Under the base is a hidden 9volt battery and switch that powers everything. The blinker circuits for the nacelles I bought online at culttvman.com. The blinker circuit I used for the blinking port and starboard nav lights I made myself with a resistor, capacitor, and timing chip. The 1/1000 Ent pictured with the USS York is almost finished. It needs a little touch up and I will post a in progress page and finished pictures on my website as soon as I am done. Seeing those may help you out a lot. Feel free to email me if you have any questions.

~D.

 

[Santaman]

I like this little ship a lot how large is this little gem? I mean as compared to a Connie.

*edit* nm found the PDF file.

 

[Whorfin]

Gouf,

Let me know what you think,
~D.

Excellent, excellent work, especially on the York. A have a couple of personal nitpicks/concerns. In the "Expanded" Trek Universe, the York is supposed to have been a name of a ship that Christopher Pike commanded before the Enterprise, and before Yorktown, if I remember things right. I just wondered if you intended it to be the same ship?

A "cutter" is normally an oversize boat, equivalent to a modern Cost Guard Cutter or a Naval Patrol Boat/Craft (PT). I- would typically have a crew of 10-20, and be about 30 feet long. Treknologically/expanded universe speaking, normally Federation cutters don't use a saucer primary hull, they tend to be rectangular, a bit like an oversized DS9 runabout. What I think you've designed is best classifieds as a Light Corvette or a Light Frigate. Larger Corvettes would have two engines and an extended or small secondary hull. Light Frigates would normally have two engines, but would look pretty similar to what you have.

Without having dimensions to work with, its hard to be precise, but using my eyeballs I would think that a crew of 40 might be a bit more reasonable, considering its still got all the characteristics of a larger starship and would therefore need about as much maintainance.

As to the registry number, this gets tricky. The problem is that we have two many designs (at least with too many constructed ships) from too many sources to cram them all in. This number would work with with the Starfleet Battles system, but in "Canon" terms would date to early in the UFP. I don't really have a good suggestion at the moment as to an alternative, but thought I would mention my consternation at the registry system issue in passing.

Please don't take these comments the wrong way, they are thoughts and suggestions, and not meant to detract from appreciation of your great skill.

 

[JSleeper]

I get a strong Jetsons vibe looking at that tiny ship. This strikes me as something akin to the Archer/Curren Class System Patrol Vessels over on the Starfleet Museum.

 

[Gouf]

Hi Whorfin,
Thank your for your kind words. I apreciate your input and no offense was taken. HEre is a little more info:

I based the design on the USS Zephyr and actual US Coast Guard Ship. Here is a comparison of the stats:

Specs for actual US Coast Guard USS Zephyr

Displacement: 331 tons
Length: (53 m)
Beam: (7.6 m)
Draught: (2.3 m)

Complement: 2 officers, 28 men
Armament:
2 Mk38 chain guns
2 Mk19 grenade launchers
2 .50 (12.7 mm) machine guns
6 Stinger missiles

Specs for my model:

Displacement: 14515 metric tons
Length: (58 m)
Beam: (50 m)
Draught: (31 m)

Complement: 2 officers, 28 men
Armament: (Std model) 4 med yield phasers in in 2 banks of 2 (2FP, 2FS)
(Std model) 2 Med yield (Forward)

Interesting about the Pike reference, I was unaware of that. Actually this kit was made with 99% spare parts i had laying around. That included the decals. Out of the scrap decals, I only had enough 1's and 2's for a hull number for all 5 locations (2 for nacelle, 2 bottom saucer, 1 top saucer. And the name came from Yorktown - with the town cut off.

The 2nd larger cutter/corvette will be the USS Rubicon and have 2 slightly larger nacelles and a slightly larger saucer. I am open to sugguestions for a hull number.

Thanks again.
~Duncan

Gouf,

Excellent, excellent work, especially on the York. A have a couple of personal nitpicks/concerns. In the "Expanded" Trek Universe, the York is supposed to have been a name of a ship that Christopher Pike commanded before the Enterprise, and before Yorktown, if I remember things right. I just wondered if you intended it to be the same ship?

A "cutter" is normally an oversize boat, equivalent to a modern Cost Guard Cutter or a Naval Patrol Boat/Craft (PT). I- would typically have a crew of 10-20, and be about 30 feet long. Treknologically/expanded universe speaking, normally Federation cutters don't use a saucer primary hull, they tend to be rectangular, a bit like an oversized DS9 runabout. What I think you've designed is best classifieds as a Light Corvette or a Light Frigate. Larger Corvettes would have two engines and an extended or small secondary hull. Light Frigates would normally have two engines, but would look pretty similar to what you have.

Without having dimensions to work with, its hard to be precise, but using my eyeballs I would think that a crew of 40 might be a bit more reasonable, considering its still got all the characteristics of a larger starship and would therefore need about as much maintainance.

As to the registry number, this gets tricky. The problem is that we have two many designs (at least with too many constructed ships) from too many sources to cram them all in. This number would work with with the Starfleet Battles system, but in "Canon" terms would date to early in the UFP. I don't really have a good suggestion at the moment as to an alternative, but thought I would mention my consternation at the registry system issue in passing.

Please don't take these comments the wrong way, they are thoughts and suggestions, and not meant to detract from appreciation of your great skill.

JSleeper, Thank you. I can see these as an alt to ones seen on the Starfleet Museum.

 

[caisson2delta]

Very cool little ship. I am rather fond of the single nacelled ships. It is always nice to see a unique design, especially on that is as well executed as yours.

 

[Unicron]

Nice work.

 

[Whorfin]

Duncan,

Interesting about the Pike reference, I was unaware of that. Actually this kit was made with 99% spare parts i had laying around. That included the decals. Out of the scrap decals, I only had enough 1's and 2's for a hull number for all 5 locations (2 for nacelle, 2 bottom saucer, 1 top saucer. And the name came from Yorktown - with the town cut off.

The 2nd larger cutter/corvette will be the USS Rubicon and have 2 slightly larger nacelles and a slightly larger saucer. I am open to sugguestions for a hull number.

Thank you for your kind response, not everyone handles nitpicking as well!

Regarding Pike, given the rank discussed below, if its a small ship like yours, he may have been the actual "Captain" (with a Commander rank) rather than an XO.

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Christopher_Pike

Excellent use of scraps, so to speak. Vance has drawn the SFB Burke, and derivative Ramius, class, and perhaps a few others, and you might want to check these out.

http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/vance.php

A registry number is a bit tougher order. Essentially things are very chaotic, with two different main schemes ("block" vs. "chronological"), and nobody consulting each other, and more than a bit of intentional (as opposed to the normal accidental) attempts at registry collisions. In the SFB scheme of things, you would probably be fine to use anything below 300, but for every other registry scheme it becomes a matter of consolidating a list of all known numbers, resolving "collisions", and finding a list of numbers you could use. The time period the ships are built in and the number you intend to be in the class are important here. Working out the current "state of the UFP registry" is on my to-do list, but will take enormous effort, its been about a decade since the last time I tried and a lot has changed since then.