Ah, okay. Thanks. I didn't know that.
Countdown #4 preview (and review - SPOILERS!)
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I just read Countdown #4. There wasn't much left to tell here, but the last remaining questions were answered.
No, Worf is not killed.
He is severely injured and his life hangs by a thread but Nero eventually returns him to the Enterprise and the last we hear he is being emergency beamed to sickbay.
I assume he lives.
The Klingon prison part, as it seems, takes place back in the 23rd century and probably explains where Nero has been for the 20 or so years it takes Kirk to grow from a baby to a troubled cadet.
Actually Spock succeeds and the Red Matter plan neutralises the supernova threat.
Nero and Spock can not escape the black hole and are both sucked in, therefore travelling back in time.
I just read Countdown #4. There wasn't much left to tell here, but the last remaining questions were answered.
No, Worf is not killed.
He is severely injured and his life hangs by a thread but Nero eventually returns him to the Enterprise and the last we hear he is being emergency beamed to sickbay.
I assume he lives.
The Klingon prison part, as it seems, takes place back in the 23rd century and probably explains where Nero has been for the 20 or so years it takes Kirk to grow from a baby to a troubled cadet.
Actually Spock succeeds and the Red Matter plan neutralises the supernova threat.
Nero and Spock can not escape the black hole and are both sucked in, therefore travelling back in time.
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So the scene from the trailer actually shows the Narada emerging from the black hole you mentioned? As a result, are both the Jellyfish and the Narada stuck in the past, since they are not capable of time traveling on their own?
So the scene from the trailer actually shows the Narada emerging from the black hole you mentioned? As a result, are both the Jellyfish and the Narada stuck in the past, since they are not capable of time traveling on their own?
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That needs some serious explaining...
How could the Klingons arrest, let alone imprison a Romulan who had the destructive power of a Borg-enhanced weapon of mass destruction from the future at his command?
That needs some serious explaining...
How could the Klingons arrest, let alone imprison a Romulan who had the destructive power of a Borg-enhanced weapon of mass destruction from the future at his command?
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I assume it does show it emerging. The comic shows the Narada going tentacles first in the black hole and if I remember correctly, in the trailer we see it coming tentacles first out of the black hole.
As for the Narada and the Jellyfish being stuck back in time, yes I'd say they are stuck.
Unless they find some technobable reason to recreate the incident which I doubt they will.
I assume it does show it emerging. The comic shows the Narada going tentacles first in the black hole and if I remember correctly, in the trailer we see it coming tentacles first out of the black hole.
As for the Narada and the Jellyfish being stuck back in time, yes I'd say they are stuck.
Unless they find some technobable reason to recreate the incident which I doubt they will.
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Perhaps traveling through a black hole weakens or damages the Borg/Narada.
And maybe even the Kelvin does some good damage before it is destroyed.
So perhaps the Klingons are able to capture Nero because of that.
I'm sure it will be explained in the movie.
Perhaps traveling through a black hole weakens or damages the Borg/Narada.
And maybe even the Kelvin does some good damage before it is destroyed.
So perhaps the Klingons are able to capture Nero because of that.
I'm sure it will be explained in the movie.
Amazon just shipped my copy of the Countdown TPB. I should have it by Friday. Much thanks to those who've been posting synopsis of the previous issues. I'm extremely excited to read this story in one sitting.
I havnt read the comics yet. I found them online in pdf format but as yet havnt opened them yet.
Its interesting with Data/B4 stuff, it makes the whole scene in Nemesis pointles to the point that, well, actually, the whole movie was pointless, what am i talking about.
Least these comics have made Nemesis remotely likeable.
Ill have to give them a read. Been busy, thats the problem where life gets in the way of Star Trek.
Its interesting with Data/B4 stuff, it makes the whole scene in Nemesis pointles to the point that, well, actually, the whole movie was pointless, what am i talking about.
Least these comics have made Nemesis remotely likeable.
Ill have to give them a read. Been busy, thats the problem where life gets in the way of Star Trek.
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It makes sense they're stranded. It may also speak to Spock's fate.
For the longest time it's been said Nero ends up back in time accidentally. But there were reports that Spock's ship was a Vulcan ship designed for time travel, which led some to believe he followed Nero back deliberately. Guess that isn't so.
On another tack, Nero has some red matter in the movie. How'd he get that?
It makes sense they're stranded. It may also speak to Spock's fate.
For the longest time it's been said Nero ends up back in time accidentally. But there were reports that Spock's ship was a Vulcan ship designed for time travel, which led some to believe he followed Nero back deliberately. Guess that isn't so.
On another tack, Nero has some red matter in the movie. How'd he get that?
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Yeah, here's what we heard first:
At least some of that seems not to be so.
I haven't read the whole comic yet. Is there any way in which Nero could have managed to obtain or hold back some of the red matter intended for triggering the Hobus star implosion?
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No.
Nero arrives at the Hobus star system after Spock has created the black hole and is almost immediately sucked in.
So if he has any Red Matter in the movie, he probably somehow steals the technology from 23rd century Vulcan. Or something else we can not predict with what we now know happens.
No.
Nero arrives at the Hobus star system after Spock has created the black hole and is almost immediately sucked in.
So if he has any Red Matter in the movie, he probably somehow steals the technology from 23rd century Vulcan. Or something else we can not predict with what we now know happens.
Is it possible Nero already knows how to convert decalithium into red matter? He's certainly going to have to spend some time in the 23rd century collecting and processing decalithium at the very least.
I thought Countdown #4 was superb, the best of the series. It gave the TNG a great send-off (and set them up for more potential adventures in that universe), and gave the best possible start to the film - I'm really pleased the time-travel was unintentional, makes a lot more sense.
Spock makes a comment about appealing to Nero's better side - and that he is still a good man - wonder if that will show up in the film at any point?
Oh, and Worf is clearly 100% alive.
I thought Countdown #4 was superb, the best of the series. It gave the TNG a great send-off (and set them up for more potential adventures in that universe), and gave the best possible start to the film - I'm really pleased the time-travel was unintentional, makes a lot more sense.
Spock makes a comment about appealing to Nero's better side - and that he is still a good man - wonder if that will show up in the film at any point?
Oh, and Worf is clearly 100% alive.
He doesn't until the moment he gets sucked into the black hole. Remember it was a technology and knowledge only the Vulcans had.
So he either learns how to make some in the 23rd century or steals some from Spock or Vulcan.
Ooooooh man! I'm holding the Countdown TPB in my hand! I almost can't believe I stopped to make this posting because I haven't been this goddamn excited to read a Star Trek comic since The Trial of James T. Kirk storyline back in 1990 and even more so because this is it! This is the motherfucking lead-in to a movie I've been waiting what seems centuries for! I don't know whether to read this fucker or stroke to it I'm so excited!
yeah, of course. stupid question
as an aside, the Vulcans obviously decided to happily use the technology to 'destroy' the Hobus star once Romulus had been destroyed.
maybe thats what Nero spends the time doing in between destroying the Kelvin and destroying Vulcan - learning about red matter (when he's not in the Klingon prison)
I just hope that Nero's motivation, in the movie itself, is well-communicated. Because at this point, I must confess that I do have fears about his motivations turning out to be as nebulous and as flimsy as Shinzon's were.
At any rate, I hope to pick up the TPB soon...
At any rate, I hope to pick up the TPB soon...
Well I just finished reading the Countdown TPB and I have to say... HOO-EE! If the movie is even half that good then we're all in for a hell of a treat! I consider Countdown to be the best of the TNG movies and it isn't even a fuckin' movie.
I feel like I just gotten taken for a rollicking roller coaster ride of a romp around the galaxy. The blood is pumping through my veins hard and I'm totally struck by the tragedy of the whole thing. Or it the hole-thing?
I couldn't imagine reading this mutha in single issue form. It was clearly written with a TPB in mind. Most single issue comics sort of ebb and flow from month to month. This one flows all the way through and doesn't stop. It really is more like a movie than a comic book. It's like Generations and Nemesis but done right!
I think I'm a little excited since I just literally finished reading this thing less than five minutes ago and I'm completely away that I'm gushing like a pathetic little fanboy but... I haven't been this excited since the conclusion of Best of Both Worlds Part One. I mean what a great prequel to the new movie and what a fantastic capper to TNG. This is the first Star Trek Valentine since Trials and Tribbleations that doesn't feel like anal rape!
I, uh, I'm trying to boil some of my ramblings down into coherent thought but that's hard because of the adreneline and because I'm me. But...
Nero: Wow. I'm about to sound like Rick Berman here but... This is going to be the best villain since Khan. No shit. I mean the problem with the TNG movie villains is that they were all trying to ape Khan and make them Picard's arch enemy but they pretty much all failed (with one exception) because there was no history between Picard and the villain.
Khan worked because he and Kirk were not just enemies but because they had both drawn blood from one another. Khan had drawn blood by Kirk by trying to steal his ship and kill him. Kirk had drawn blood by exiling him to a planet where his wife later died. Khan spent decades building up what Kirk did turning it malicious rather than merciful. When the two finally met up again the seed of hatred blossomed into a flame of vengeance that only one would escape from intact.
Contrast this with the so called arch-villains of the TNG movies. The character of Soran had a similar motivation to Nero and he was well acted by McDowell but it was clear that what he was doing to Picard and the Enterprise wasn't personal. He just wanted to get back into the Nexus and see his family again. Picard was just in the way. Thusly their interactions fell kinda flat. There was no real animosity or hate between them it was just a real strong difference of opinion.
Another villain that fell flat was Insurrection's Ru'Afo. The only lesson that Berman learned from TWOK was the sound of fury of Khan's hatred. He didn't pay attention to the subtleties and the history. He seemed to think if the villain screamed enough we'd get that he was Picard's polar opposite and we'd root for them to fight. Personally I just wanted Ru'Afo to shut the fuck up and stop screaming like a bitch.
Then there was Shinzon... So close and yet so far away. The idea of a clone of Picard who'd been raised Reman and was the dark side of the good captain was a stupendous idea poorly realized. It was just the old Berman straw-man villain. Introduce a compelling nemesis and then make him eeeeee-vil and craaaaaa-zy. Shinzon couldn't have been a good guy on the other side. No he has to destroy the Earth to prove he's bad. Basically Shinzon was Khan with a lobotomy. There was no real thought put behind the character. Just the same old motions.
You might be wanting to point out that I skipped somebody. I didn't skip her it's just obvious she doesn't fit with the other guys. The Borg Queen. The closest they got to reacreating the magic that was Khan. Finally a villain that has some history with Picard. A real animosity. But the cool thing is... She isn't Khan. She's Kirk. Picard is the Khan of FC and... FUCK! What a cool twist that was. The Borg Queen was a catalyst for the true villain of FC, Picard's dark side to take center stage. It wasn't quite as well executed as TWOK but... It was the best the TNG guys could do. Still...
I don't think the Borg Queen has anything on Nero. I mean this story is the story of his downfall. What a nice guy. Just a working joe. He's basically Captain Dallas from Alien but with a pair of nards. This is a man willing to fight against king and country to save his family and his world. The very things by which he defined himself are taken away and he quite literally has nothing but his vengeance but more...
Khan's revenge against Kirk wasn't justified. Kirk didn't mean for the things to happen to Khan that they did. Kirk would never have put Khan in that position if he'd known.
On the other hand Nero's vengeance is justified. He has every right to despise the Vulcans. They had it within their means to save Romulas and they let it die to... heh... I don't care how they justified it. You don't let an entire people snuff it because of what they might do later on. Especially not a people that you have a peace with. A tenuous peace, yes, but... It's peace nonetheless. What the Vulcans did wasn't right. It doesn't mean that Nero has the right to snuff them but...
I can't blame him for wanting to. I wanted to put their council to the sword myself.
Nero's hatred towards Spock is interesting and it will be interesting to see how it works onscreen. It's clear they had a real admiration and liking towards each other at the start and it's just as clear that in the end Nero's hatred isn't truly towards Spock the man but rather Spock the Vulcan. Spock's just a symbol of everything that he hates. Everything that caused him to lose his life...
...and here's something I'm going to toss out. Nero's hatred is based on loss. A loss of love. I can't help but feel that unlike all the other Trek movie villains that Nero's not going to snuff it at the end of the movie. I think he's going to be redeemed. I think that somehow Kirk will stop the Hobus star from exploding and save Romulas and Nero's family.
I think this is going to be the first Star Trek movie with an actual Star Trek ending and not just a shoot 'em up.
I know this is a lot to hypothesize based on a comic but... It's just a feeling I have.
I have a lot more I'd like to post but I've blown my wad early and I need to think about this more. Later...
I feel like I just gotten taken for a rollicking roller coaster ride of a romp around the galaxy. The blood is pumping through my veins hard and I'm totally struck by the tragedy of the whole thing. Or it the hole-thing?
I couldn't imagine reading this mutha in single issue form. It was clearly written with a TPB in mind. Most single issue comics sort of ebb and flow from month to month. This one flows all the way through and doesn't stop. It really is more like a movie than a comic book. It's like Generations and Nemesis but done right!
I think I'm a little excited since I just literally finished reading this thing less than five minutes ago and I'm completely away that I'm gushing like a pathetic little fanboy but... I haven't been this excited since the conclusion of Best of Both Worlds Part One. I mean what a great prequel to the new movie and what a fantastic capper to TNG. This is the first Star Trek Valentine since Trials and Tribbleations that doesn't feel like anal rape!
I, uh, I'm trying to boil some of my ramblings down into coherent thought but that's hard because of the adreneline and because I'm me. But...
Nero: Wow. I'm about to sound like Rick Berman here but... This is going to be the best villain since Khan. No shit.
I mean the problem with the TNG movie villains is that they were all trying to ape Khan and make them Picard's arch enemy but they pretty much all failed (with one exception) because there was no history between Picard and the villain. Khan worked because he and Kirk were not just enemies but because they had both drawn blood from one another. Khan had drawn blood by Kirk by trying to steal his ship and kill him. Kirk had drawn blood by exiling him to a planet where his wife later died. Khan spent decades building up what Kirk did turning it malicious rather than merciful. When the two finally met up again the seed of hatred blossomed into a flame of vengeance that only one would escape from intact.
Contrast this with the so called arch-villains of the TNG movies. The character of Soran had a similar motivation to Nero and he was well acted by McDowell but it was clear that what he was doing to Picard and the Enterprise wasn't personal. He just wanted to get back into the Nexus and see his family again. Picard was just in the way. Thusly their interactions fell kinda flat. There was no real animosity or hate between them it was just a real strong difference of opinion.
Another villain that fell flat was Insurrection's Ru'Afo. The only lesson that Berman learned from TWOK was the sound of fury of Khan's hatred. He didn't pay attention to the subtleties and the history. He seemed to think if the villain screamed enough we'd get that he was Picard's polar opposite and we'd root for them to fight. Personally I just wanted Ru'Afo to shut the fuck up and stop screaming like a bitch.
Then there was Shinzon... So close and yet so far away. The idea of a clone of Picard who'd been raised Reman and was the dark side of the good captain was a stupendous idea poorly realized. It was just the old Berman straw-man villain. Introduce a compelling nemesis and then make him eeeeee-vil and craaaaaa-zy. Shinzon couldn't have been a good guy on the other side. No he has to destroy the Earth to prove he's bad. Basically Shinzon was Khan with a lobotomy. There was no real thought put behind the character. Just the same old motions.
You might be wanting to point out that I skipped somebody. I didn't skip her it's just obvious she doesn't fit with the other guys. The Borg Queen. The closest they got to reacreating the magic that was Khan. Finally a villain that has some history with Picard. A real animosity. But the cool thing is... She isn't Khan. She's Kirk. Picard is the Khan of FC and... FUCK! What a cool twist that was. The Borg Queen was a catalyst for the true villain of FC, Picard's dark side to take center stage. It wasn't quite as well executed as TWOK but... It was the best the TNG guys could do. Still...
I don't think the Borg Queen has anything on Nero. I mean this story is the story of his downfall. What a nice guy. Just a working joe. He's basically Captain Dallas from Alien but with a pair of nards. This is a man willing to fight against king and country to save his family and his world. The very things by which he defined himself are taken away and he quite literally has nothing but his vengeance but more...
Khan's revenge against Kirk wasn't justified. Kirk didn't mean for the things to happen to Khan that they did. Kirk would never have put Khan in that position if he'd known.
On the other hand Nero's vengeance is justified. He has every right to despise the Vulcans. They had it within their means to save Romulas and they let it die to... heh... I don't care how they justified it. You don't let an entire people snuff it because of what they might do later on. Especially not a people that you have a peace with. A tenuous peace, yes, but... It's peace nonetheless. What the Vulcans did wasn't right. It doesn't mean that Nero has the right to snuff them but...
I can't blame him for wanting to. I wanted to put their council to the sword myself.
Nero's hatred towards Spock is interesting and it will be interesting to see how it works onscreen. It's clear they had a real admiration and liking towards each other at the start and it's just as clear that in the end Nero's hatred isn't truly towards Spock the man but rather Spock the Vulcan. Spock's just a symbol of everything that he hates. Everything that caused him to lose his life...
...and here's something I'm going to toss out. Nero's hatred is based on loss. A loss of love. I can't help but feel that unlike all the other Trek movie villains that Nero's not going to snuff it at the end of the movie. I think he's going to be redeemed. I think that somehow Kirk will stop the Hobus star from exploding and save Romulas and Nero's family.
I think this is going to be the first Star Trek movie with an actual Star Trek ending and not just a shoot 'em up.
I know this is a lot to hypothesize based on a comic but... It's just a feeling I have.
I have a lot more I'd like to post but I've blown my wad early and I need to think about this more. Later...
Were there any features in the back of the TPB like artwork or anything like that or was it just a straight trade? I'll be getting this when it comes out at the end of the month and have been following it through these threads as well...
If you order it from Amazon you won't have to wait until the end of the month. To answer your question though: There is a brief afterward by Kurtzman & Orci. There are also five pages of character sketches. That's it.
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