Countdown #4 preview (and review - SPOILERS!)

[BolianAuthor]

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The comic book itself should have been the film that JJ starts with, so we have a continuing story, in the way that TWOK, and TSFS tied in together, because from what I know of the comic story so far, there is a olot of background here that should be in the movie, otherwise what we get, is something like NEM, where all the crucial backstory was omitted. In any case, I'm waiting for the omnibus to come out, and I'll buy that.

 

[shapeshifter]

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Nero's body c0unt is fracking astronomical!

 

[theachilles]

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im sure spock slams his ship into the narada and dies

the last quote of issue 4 is weird...


"may his soul live long and prosper"...WTF? How does a soul live?

 

[Sharr Khan]

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im sure spock slams his ship into the narada and dies

the last quote of issue 4 is weird...


"may his soul live long and prosper"...WTF? How does a soul live?

A Soul being an eternal thing, generally its thought they persist onward in some manner. Don't confuse "live" here to mean breathing and walking around in a flesh body.

Sharr

 

[GulDucati]

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Spoiler Alert...

Just read Countdown #4.

As announced, you will definitely not see any TNG era folks in the movie. Not only that, but unless it's in flashbacks, there is no 24th century in the movie either. The Klingon prison that Nero supposedly gets interned in will be in the past (as it's not in the comics at all). Worf may be dead. It's going to be interesting to see how much of the comic they reference in the movie, as there's no way they can just pick up Old Spock and Nero without explaining a lot of what went on before. If the movie picks up right where the comic leaves off, it would either: start with the Enterprise-E (but we already know there are no TNG cameos), or with Nero/Spock coming out of the singularity (presumably in another time).

 

[theachilles]

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I think it will start with spock and nero coming into jj's universe. Nero attacks the kelvin and I think we will find out later what was going on when spock talks to jj/kirk

 

[Augustus]

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Wait, is it confirmed that Worf dies then? Unless I missed it on Trekmovie, seems like he survived.

Also the caption on the trading cards had one with Quinto Spock "stealing a ship".

Could it be that he steals the Jellyfish or tries to? Would his voice activate the ship?

 

[Franklin]

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If Spock failed to stop the Hobus star from going supernova, then Worf isn't the only one dead. EVERYONE is. EVERYTHING is gone. Which makes Nero's motivation a bit weird. Unless he lets Spock succeed in saving the universe so he can carry out his plan

Spoiler: Nero's plan

to destroy Vulcan, Earth, and the Klingon homeworld as revenge for Romulus being destroyed.

And, where does Nero finding out about Kirk fit into all of this? What was up with that? How did that fit into the story?

 

[SalvorHardin]

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If Spock failed to stop the Hobus star from going supernova, then Worf isn't the only one dead. EVERYONE is. EVERYTHING is gone.

Or the plan does work.
And even though it's too late for Romulus, the rest of the galaxy is saved. And as a side effect of the beneficial black hole, Nero and Spock go back in time.

 

[The Academic]

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Or the plan does work.
And even though it's too late for Romulus, the rest of the galaxy is saved. And as a side effect of the beneficial black hole, Nero and Spock go back in time.

That makes a whole lot more sense.
Also, it makes the audience feel the injustice of it all - as perceived by Nero - even more... It's quite intriguing to understand the villain's motivations.

 

[cooleddie74]

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Or the plan does work.
And even though it's too late for Romulus, the rest of the galaxy is saved. And as a side effect of the beneficial black hole, Nero and Spock go back in time.

That makes a whole lot more sense.
Also, it makes the audience feel the injustice of it all - as perceived by Nero - even more... It's quite intriguing to understand the villain's motivations.

Especially after NEMESIS. Shinzon had more potential than any villain since Khan himself. But he was squandered with one-dimensional, whiny, predictable excuses for why he wanted to blow up Earth and start a war. Nero has the potential to be something special...hell, he's already changed the TREK timeline itself and wiped TOS and TAS and their movies from history, after all!

 

[Augustus]

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Or the plan does work.
And even though it's too late for Romulus, the rest of the galaxy is saved. And as a side effect of the beneficial black hole, Nero and Spock go back in time.

That makes a whole lot more sense.
Also, it makes the audience feel the injustice of it all - as perceived by Nero - even more... It's quite intriguing to understand the villain's motivations.

Especially after NEMESIS. Shinzon had more potential than any villain since Khan himself. But he was squandered with one-dimensional, whiny, predictable excuses for why he wanted to blow up Earth and start a war. Nero has the potential to be something special...hell, he's already changed the TREK timeline itself and wiped TOS and TAS and their movies from history, after all!

hmm, the villain that literally destroyed "Star Trek"...

Now that is a super evil guy!!

 

[The Academic]

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Shinzon had more potential than any villain since Khan himself. But he was squandered with one-dimensional, whiny, predictable excuses for why he wanted to blow up Earth and start a war.

Bullseye!!!
I was so excited when I first hear about the idea behind Nemesis... and I couldn't believe what utter rubbish I had just seen when I left the theatre after actually having watched the movie.

 

[Franklin]

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Shinzon had more potential than any villain since Khan himself. But he was squandered with one-dimensional, whiny, predictable excuses for why he wanted to blow up Earth and start a war.

Bullseye!!!
I was so excited when I first hear about the idea behind Nemesis... and I couldn't believe what utter rubbish I had just seen when I left the theatre after actually having watched the movie.

And seeking revenge for the death of your family and the destruction of your home planet is not a one-dimensional and predictable excuse? Isn't it kind of what Khan was doing? And Khan was already badass.

What happened to those of us who were happy with the idea that Nero may just be an unpredictable pirate badass who enjoyed mayhem whenever he had a chance to inflict it? I was down with that. Evil for the sake of evil. "What are you rebelling against?" "What've ya got?"

 

[The Academic]

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And seeking revenge for the death of your family and the destruction of your home planet is not a one-dimensional and predictable excuse? Isn't it kind of what Khan was doing? And Khan was already badass.

I know what you mean. It IS predictable, but it is also understandable, both from Nero's and Khan's point of view. What made it so outstanding in Khan's case was how he was directed by Nicholas Meyer and played by Ricardo Montalban - let's hope that J.J. Abrams and Eric Bana play in the same league.

What happened to those of us who were happy with the idea that Nero may just be an unpredictable pirate badass who enjoyed mayhem whenever he had a chance to inflict it? I was down with that. Evil for the sake of evil. "What are you rebelling against?" "What've ya got?"

Why being content with having, let's say, an Ernst Stavro Blofeld, when you can have a Hannibal Lecter? Okay, when we can get an unpredictable, totally amoral villain like an intergalactic Thomas 'Leatherface' Hewitt or Jason Voorhees, we will pick up our discussion again...

 

[Praetor]

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i didnt like picard being an ambassorder. It doesnt fit him at all. Wouldn't mind him still being a captain at his old age or a federation advisor.

It fits the Picard from seven seasons of TNG pretty well, I think, until the movies made him 'Action Hero Picard.'

Wait, is it confirmed that Worf dies then? Unless I missed it on Trekmovie, seems like he survived.

I'd tend to agree.

Also the caption on the trading cards had one with Quinto Spock "stealing a ship".

Could it be that he steals the Jellyfish or tries to? Would his voice activate the ship?

That's my bet too.

 

[Brainiac]

Reading all this, I have one big question in mind...
The last time I checked, anything Star Trek not seen on TV or in the movies was not regarded as canon. However, will this particular comic, being a movie tie-in, be an exception? It seems that so much stuff from the comic is actually so essential in the context of the movie, it has to be regarded as canon as a whole, not just some snippets of it. Since I'm not really an avid reader of TrekLit (I only read perhaps five books, an old copy of The Entropy Effect being the only one to have stuck in my mind), I would like to know whether the comic already conflicts previously-established facts mentioned in the books (I know that it doesn't contradict any of the movies or TV episodes)?

 

[Michael]

(I know that it doesn't contradict any of the movies or TV episodes)?

I haven't read the comcis (yet), but isn't the presence of Captain Data somewhat contradicting his death in Nemesis? Do they actually flat out say it's B4?

 

[Brainiac]

I haven't read the comcis (yet), but isn't the presence of Captain Data somewhat contradicting his death in Nemesis? Do they actually flat out say it's B4?

They say it's B4 with a Data memory upload (it seems that Data actually saved everything he had in his head on a regular basis)... well, there it is.

 

[Aragorn]

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Nero's body c0unt is fracking astronomical!

Or as Jack Bauer calls it... last week.