If THE CAGE never happens in this timeline...

[The Academic]

I have my own personal canon to make sense of the changes and time line.

Finally a man who thinks along lines similar to my own! I also have some kind of own continuity/canon in the back of my head to work out minor kinks I happen to stumble over... also, I'm a master of self-made retcons (that's something I learned while reading the books of Daniel Wallace, Star Wars' chief historian - he can straighten out any mess, I can tell you).

All in all, we should be intelligent and responsible enough to find out some solutions on our own instead of trying to stick slavishly to the sometimes sparse information we got. These solutions might be right or wrong, but they will work until some official solution comes along eventually. Just for fun, I pulled two different solutions for Wormhole's U.S.S. Kelvin registry problem out of my hat (and he even liked one of them)...

I believe that when Picard and crew went back into time to help Zefram Cochrane with his warp flight they inadvertently gave him too much knowledge of the future so things became more advanced sooner than they originally had been in the original time line.

I, too, believe that there is not only one official chronology Star Trek fans know/think to know. There might be one consistent timeline, but it meandered between different parallel universes throughout Trek's forty-plus years... only this way differing tech levels, different-looking secondary characters (Zephram Cochrane) et al. can be explained.

So unless this new story does something to contradict that theory I will stick with that new theory.

And I will stick to mine.

So in this alternate time line if The Cage never happens then it won't bother me one bit.

Me neither...
It already happened in one timeline and I can watch it on DVD any time I want - now I want to see new stuff (as long as it's consistent with Star Trek's spirit)!

 

[EJA]

Because it alienates the long-term fans if it becomes TOO different, especially in regards to the history of the characters and universe.

No one's been a Trek fan longer than I have. It's not alienating me.

By 'long term Trek fan', EJA doesn't really refer to time, more to the crowd who see a low budget 1960s show as perfection and can't abide any suggestion of changing any aspect of it for an audience 40 years later.

I can abide some changes....just not too much.

 

[EJA]

I have my own personal canon to make sense of the changes and time line.

I believe that when Picard and crew went back into time to help Zefram Cochrane with his warp flight they inadvertently gave him too much knowledge of the future so things became more advanced sooner than they originally had been in the original time line.

And let's not forget the Temporal Cold War mucking up some of the history on Enterprise.

 

[The Academic]

I have my own personal canon to make sense of the changes and time line.

I believe that when Picard and crew went back into time to help Zefram Cochrane with his warp flight they inadvertently gave him too much knowledge of the future so things became more advanced sooner than they originally had been in the original time line.

And let's not forget the Temporal Cold War mucking up some of the history on Enterprise.

Oh no, we must never forget the Temporal Cold War... when everything else fails, the Temporal Cold War remains the best emergency solution! It's our very own 'A wizard did it!'

 

[miraclefan]

I have my own personal canon to make sense of the changes and time line.

I believe that when Picard and crew went back into time to help Zefram Cochrane with his warp flight they inadvertently gave him too much knowledge of the future so things became more advanced sooner than they originally had been in the original time line.

And let's not forget the Temporal Cold War mucking up some of the history on Enterprise.

Oh no, we must never forget the Temporal Cold War... when everything else fails, the Temporal Cold War remains the best emergency solution! It's our very own 'A wizard did it!'

^BINGO!

 

[BillJ]

....How will you feel? Personally, I'd be more than a little peeved off if this film erases the very first episode of TOS, which IMHO was one of the best.

If I come home and all of my Trek DVD's are blank... I'm gonna be pissed!

 

[DaveyNY]

Because it alienates the long-term fans if it becomes TOO different, especially in regards to the history of the characters and universe.

No one's been a Trek fan longer than I have. It's not alienating me.

Ummm...

Not to detract from your Ego, but...

A Few of US have been Trek Fans Just As Long As You Have...

And some of that few, do have major problems with it...

I happen to be in the small group that will probably like the film over-all, but will still have qualms about some of the changes that have been made.

 

[Captain Robert April]

I have my own personal canon to make sense of the changes and time line.

I believe that when Picard and crew went back into time to help Zefram Cochrane with his warp flight they inadvertently gave him too much knowledge of the future so things became more advanced sooner than they originally had been in the original time line.

And let's not forget the Temporal Cold War mucking up some of the history on Enterprise.

Let's also not forget the big reset button that was smashed at the end of that particular storyline. Wouldn't be out of line to say that several large chunks of Enterprise never happened prior to the fourth season, thanks to that reset.

 

[ST-One]

Because it alienates the long-term fans if it becomes TOO different, especially in regards to the history of the characters and universe.

Well it's not alienating me and I have been a TOS fan for nearly 40 years.

I welcome the changes if anything.

I'm a fan of TOS for over 20 years now (since I was seven) and this film isn't alienating me either.

 

[Guartho]

Ummm...

Not to detract from your Ego, but...

A Few of US have been Trek Fans Just As Long As You Have...

No way dude. Dennis was smoking pot with Gene after a Dragnet script meeting and Gene said "I've got this idea about doing a show in space. It'll be people out exploring the untamed frontier, only space is the frontier."

Dennis said "I'm a fan of that idea." The rest is history.

 

[blockaderunner]

....How will you feel? Personally, I'd be more than a little peeved off if this film erases the very first episode of TOS, which IMHO was one of the best.

Boo Hoo!

 

[Captain Robert April]

No, nothing gets erased, just sidestepped to accomodate a writing team that can't be bothered to stay within the bounds of the sandbox.

Y'see, I don't really mind the alternate timeline angle; in fact, I'm rather gratified by it.

What I do not appreciate is the way they've gone about this whole charade, giving a whole song and dance about how they're honoring canon and all the work that's gone before while at the same time chucking the whole works out the airlock and expecting us to all applaud them for their cleverness in taking the easy way out and hitting the reset button on the whole bloody mess! If the studio wanted a reboot for the movie half of the franchise, they should've just come out and said so. If they're not allowed to use the established canon because of the separation of rights arrangement, they should just come out and say so.

But this whole attempt to have it both ways is just plain stupid.

 

[Michael]

I think the assumption that the writers 'have lied to us' and are in any way, shape or form obliged to tell us the 'truth' about the goddamn canon status of a piece of entertainment is stupid. But that's just me.

 

[Peter the Younger]

it seems that there will still be a period of time in which pike is in command of the enterprise and spock serves with him. during this period before kirk comes aboard, they could have visited talos iv. it is more likely that the menagerie might not occur, but such thoughts are just speculation.

Beep...Beep!

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I believe that when Picard and crew went back into time to help Zefram Cochrane with his warp flight they inadvertently gave him too much knowledge of the future so things became more advanced sooner than they originally had been in the original time line.

Doesn't explain how the TOS Defiant could have appeared, exactly as it was in the original series, in an ENT episode...

 

[Admiral James Kirk]

....How will you feel? Personally, I'd be more than a little peeved off if this film erases the very first episode of TOS, which IMHO was one of the best.

It WIIL have RAPED your CHILDHOOD!

j/k

I want to find the gaping asshole who coined that dopey term and fist him unto death.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

A Few of US have been Trek Fans Just As Long As You Have...

No one's been a Trek fan longer than I have.

I'm sorry, what part of the statement are you having a problem with?

It WIIL have RAPED your CHILDHOOD!

I want to find the gaping asshole who coined that dopey term and fist him unto death.

Different website, dude. Kinky.

I think the assumption that the writers 'have lied to us' and are in any way, shape or form obliged to tell us the 'truth' about the goddamn canon status of a piece of entertainment is stupid.

The assumption (or claim) is both arrogant and spectacularly uninformed.

 

[DaveyNY]

A Few of US have been Trek Fans Just As Long As You Have...

No one's been a Trek fan longer than I have.

I'm sorry, what part of the statement are you having a problem with?

The part that exposes your Very Over-Inflated Ego...

...which I was delicately trying to avoid blowing

up, to a much larger size than almost anyone could handle.

And that would almost certainly mean that I would have to do something to relieve the pressure, since I apparently caused your Ego, to become so aroused.

BTW: No need to apologize, I can accommodate you anytime.






Suddenly, The Cage has a Whole New Meaning Around Here...

​

 

[Pindar]

Suddenly, The Cage has a Whole New Meaning Around Here...

PMSL

 

[EJA]

I have my own personal canon to make sense of the changes and time line.

I believe that when Picard and crew went back into time to help Zefram Cochrane with his warp flight they inadvertently gave him too much knowledge of the future so things became more advanced sooner than they originally had been in the original time line.

And let's not forget the Temporal Cold War mucking up some of the history on Enterprise.

Let's also not forget the big reset button that was smashed at the end of that particular storyline. Wouldn't be out of line to say that several large chunks of Enterprise never happened prior to the fourth season, thanks to that reset.

Starfleet still encountered the Klingons and Suliban earlier, and the Xindi still attacked Earth.