Janeway's shuttle

[Bill Morris]

This is supposed to be the shuttle type, without all the modifications Janeway made. I'm not sure what to call this type, maybe SD-103 series or something. The Type 9 seems to be 2.34 meters tall and 8.5 meters long, making this one 2.36 meters tall and 9.5 meters long. And I'm just guessing that they are of the same width. So I just need a title. I guess the deployment date would be 2404 for usage by Starfleet command staff.

 

[Praetor]

Nice. I've always liked this version of the speedboat shuttle.

Wasn't the type-9 originally to be called the type-12? Why not call it that?

 

[Timo]

Why not call the "Type 9" that instead?

I mean, the words "Type 9" were only spoken out loud once in the history of Star Trek, in VOY "Resolutions", and they were not associated with the speedboat craft in any direct way. Instead, they referred to an unseen craft that Tuvok left behind for Janeway and Chakotay so that they might perhaps one day start the long journey to Earth - a craft capable of warp four.

The speedboat could very well be Type 12 as always intended. And Type 9 could very well be the large cargo shuttle displayed in the TNG Tech Manual - a perfect choice for long journeys, as opposed to Type 12 which supposedly became warp-propelled hell in just a week or two.

As for Admiral Janeway's shuttle... If Starfleet keeps burning Type numbers at the witnessed rate, her ride in the 2390s should rather be Type 27 or something.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Bill Morris]

I measured it out to 9.5 x 5.14 x 2.36 and measured the type 9, as well. Before I just took dimensions for that off the Web. I updated the page for the Type 9.

Here's the full schematic for Janeway's shuttle, with the title SD-103 for now. Type 12 could be right, but since our window on the Trekiverse is closed, it's hard to say.

http://lcars24.com/schem34.html

 

[JNG]

The speedboat could very well be Type 12 as always intended. And Type 9 could very well be the large cargo shuttle displayed in the TNG Tech Manual - a perfect choice for long journeys, as opposed to Type 12 which supposedly became warp-propelled hell in just a week or two.

The only problem would be: if the Type 9 reference was to the cargo shuttle in the TNG Tech Manual, then the maximum speed of warp 4 given for it is wrong (I believe the Type 9A cargo shuttle maxes out at warp factor 2.2). I think Rick Sternbach once commented that the use of "Type 9" was indeed meant to refer to his speedboat shuttle, but he doesn't know why they said that instead of Type 12, as he had written on the sheets and such.

I guessed that maybe cargo and personnel shuttle designs are numbered differently; in that schema, the larger, more robust shuttles would be lumped into a Class 1, and the smaller personnel shuttles in Class 2.

 

[Timo]

Well, "Type 9A" indicates there was one revision of the Type already. Just say that Type 9B had newer engines of the "VOY type" (those with two small ramscoop windows) for a somewhat greater top speed.

It does sound plausible that a big rather than a small shuttle would have this almost runabout-like propulsive performance of warp four... Onscreen, we just never hear the speedboat being referred to as Type 9. And we never hear it credited with performance in excess of warp two, either, for that matter.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Mr. B]

Janeway orders the shuttle to accelerate to warp 6. (Endgame part 1, 34:49)

 

[Timo]

Yup, and she also successfully engages in battle with two Klingon battle cruisers...

The 2370s shuttles seem a bit less capable than that, in all respects.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Praetor]

Except for salamander de-evolution. Set to barf, Mr. Paris.

 

[Cmdr Sho]

you also have to remember that she also had that hull armor which the klingons did not have. that gave her a defensive advantage.

 

[Deks]

combat performance aside, I remember that in Voy ... when Janeway and Chakotay had to be left of 'New Earth' because of that insect virus ... they had a type 6 or type 9 shuttle at their disposal which Paris stated that can go up to Warp 4.

Threshold would suggest the speedboat shuttle was probably upgraded sufficiently for sustained flight at higher warp velocities ...
And later episodes that featured those or older types of shuttles at higher warp speeds would also feature similar modifications.

Admiral Janeway's shuttle on the other hand seems like a refit of a pre-existing design.
An experimental on top of that because I think her shuttle had an NX prefix (do correct me if I'm mistaken though).

 

[JNG]

combat performance aside, I remember that in Voy ... when Janeway and Chakotay had to be left of 'New Earth' because of that insect virus ... they had a type 6 or type 9 shuttle at their disposal which Paris stated that can go up to Warp 4.

Threshold would suggest the speedboat shuttle was probably upgraded sufficiently for sustained flight at higher warp velocities ...
And later episodes that featured those or older types of shuttles at higher warp speeds would also feature similar modifications.

That was a Type 9, they said. Its new speed in "Threshold" was said to be due to discovery of a new and more stable form of dilithium (and we might wish to ascribe it some other special properties if we want that episode to make any damn sense whatsoever). I don't see any reason to think that there was any more of this dilithium isotope available to modify the other shuttles or the mothership itself, nor to think that they would necessarily want to do so after the results of the "Threshold" tests.

 

[Deks]

combat performance aside, I remember that in Voy ... when Janeway and Chakotay had to be left of 'New Earth' because of that insect virus ... they had a type 6 or type 9 shuttle at their disposal which Paris stated that can go up to Warp 4.

Threshold would suggest the speedboat shuttle was probably upgraded sufficiently for sustained flight at higher warp velocities ...
And later episodes that featured those or older types of shuttles at higher warp speeds would also feature similar modifications.

That was a Type 9, they said. Its new speed in "Threshold" was said to be due to discovery of a new and more stable form of dilithium (and we might wish to ascribe it some other special properties if we want that episode to make any damn sense whatsoever). I don't see any reason to think that there was any more of this dilithium isotope available to modify the other shuttles or the mothership itself, nor to think that they would necessarily want to do so after the results of the "Threshold" tests.

Possible, still they could have found a way to synthesize the new dilithium form artificially, or collect enough of it to last until the end of their journey (if not solely for study).
And even if they didn't, Voyager found itself in dire situations more than once (especially when it came to shuttles) and I think the crew would have opted to try and enhance the shuttles so they can sustain higher warp velocities than factor 4.
The Delta Flyer was able to sustain higher warp velocities easily.
7 of 9 could have easily helped out in enhancing the shuttles as Borg technology was seen as being able to do it quite fast.

 

[Praetor]

Wouldn't it have been more interesting if they had left behind the Aeroshuttle for them? Technically, it's the Captain's gig anyway...

 

[Timo]

Perhaps the aeroshuttle is a Type 9 shuttlecraft? After all, we have no contrary indication in canon...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Bill Morris]

The Voyager MSD is canon, and that seems to indicate something other than a type 9 for the Aerowing.

 

[Praetor]

Which episode was it that called the 'speedboat' the type-9?

I know it was called a 'class two' repeatedly (but the meaning of that is debatable) and I know Mr. Sternbach originally suggested the speedboat would be type-12.

 

[Bill Morris]

Paris called it a Type 9 in VOY: Resolutions, but they didn't actually show the shuttle itself the epidsode.

 

[Praetor]

So we don't actually know that the Type-9 meant the speedboat then? Excellent.

 

[Timo]

Yup.

Type 6: Part of NCC-1701-D contingent, but never mentioned in dialogue by name, merely identified in TNG Tech Manual.

Type 7: Ditto.

Type 8: Part of NCC-74656 contingent; looks like streamlined Type 6. Never mentioned by name IIRC.

Type 9: Part of NCC-74656 contingent, mentioned in VOY "Resolutions", goes warp 4; appearance unknown.

Type 9A: Noncanon part of NCC-1701-D contingent, mentioned in TNG Tech Manual, goes warp 2.2; appearance between Type 7 and runabout.

Type 12: Never mentioned in dialogue or publications, but is the intended designation for the speedboat.

Class 2: Designation applying to the speedboat and possible others in several latter-season VOY episodes.

Speedboat: Fan name for the VOY shuttle of known shape but unknown top speed.

Aerowing: Original intended designation for the underhull-carried craft that may or may not have been present aboard NCC-74656. Looks like runabout with wings, speed and other characteristics unknown. Trademark issues would have precluded the use of the term "aerowing" in dialogue, so the designation was changed.

Aeroshuttle: Subsequent intended designation for above, still no more canonical than before.

Mix and match the above for the tastiest personal blend.

Timo Saloniemi