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THE SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN: A fitting name!

Spiderman 1 was, for me, the perfect superhero movie, the perfect Spiderman movie. This shows when SSM lifts so much of it when showing the origin scenes. I was expecting Spectacular Peter to say "Nice costume, did you husband buy you that?" in the cartoon flashback. I think it's at least fair to say that Spectacular isn't afraid to combine the best from several era's of the comics, the 90's cartoon, and the movies.

I would have liked Eddie's arc better if they'd set him up as a bitter loner more in the early episodes. The change seemed to come out of nowhere. With Harry, we could see why, and even though making him the first Goblin was a big change, it made sense in retrospect. Watching Eddie's legitimate heroism in 'Natural Forces' doesn't make sense when watching him in 'Nature vs Nurture' as having not a single hesitation, no restraint, no remorse. Even giving himself over completely to the symbiote, there's no sense that Eddie's personality disappeared, it was still a combo, and he was still willing to kill Gwen. It's just weird to me.

I love Gwen, I love how MJ is handling Peter, there is an obvious direction for two 16 year olds in Gwen and Peter to move together, and there's an obvious possibility with MJ in the future when MJ and Pete are older. They may or may not go this far, but the setup seems believable. MJ is very sympathetic, very much a people person, very smart about relationships, and yet very fond and respectful of Pete.

I've never really liked anything about Venom, Carnage or the storyline there, and never understood why it's popular at all, in the sense of Venom being more popular than the Scorpion or any of the other rogues gallery. Venom is like some herpes virus that keeps breaking out in sores every time you're about to go on a hot date. It's just a monster that won't go away, there's no real depth to that story. The most interesting thing about it was the pre-venom mystery of what's going on with Pete and the suit, but get past that and it just drags on and on with a one-dimensional villian that has no personality, no motivation I can sympathise with as a human being. Compared to the Goblin storyline, Venom is nothing but a stain on the sidewalk.
 
You know one of the things that amazes me about this show? It proves what Batman: The Animated Series first showed us, that animation seems to be able to do even characterization and plotting better than live-action films.

The difference isn't animation vs. live action, it's TV vs. feature films. TV is a writers' medium; in both live action and animation, TV writing staffs are able to engage in rich storytelling and characterization. But writers in feature films are treated as nothing but hired contractors, required to fulfill the story demands of the director and the producers and the studio executives, to juggle often arbitrary and contradictory "notes" from multiple different superiors and try to piece them together into something resembling a coherent storyline. So instead of a coherent creative vision, most major films just end up being a patchwork of what a dozen different non-writers thought would be cool to see.


I would have liked Eddie's arc better if they'd set him up as a bitter loner more in the early episodes. The change seemed to come out of nowhere.

But that's just it -- he wasn't a loner. At least, he didn't want to be. I think this was spelled out clearly enough, if somewhat cursorily. Eddie was orphaned and had no one like Ben and May to take him in. So he latched onto Peter as his "bro," his only family. Peter was the psychological lifeline that kept him from succumbing to his crushing loneliness. So when it seemed to him that Peter had misled and betrayed him, it was far more crushing to him than it would be for most people. I understand that, because I know about loneliness, and I've been prone to become excessively emotionally dependent on people. And I know how devastating it can be when the person you're excessively dependent on lets you down.

The problem is that the show didn't do enough to set this up beforehand. We didn't start to learn about Eddie's serious abandonment issues until he was already turning bad, and so it seemed like a justification after the fact.


I've never really liked anything about Venom, Carnage or the storyline there, and never understood why it's popular at all, in the sense of Venom being more popular than the Scorpion or any of the other rogues gallery. Venom is like some herpes virus that keeps breaking out in sores every time you're about to go on a hot date. It's just a monster that won't go away, there's no real depth to that story. The most interesting thing about it was the pre-venom mystery of what's going on with Pete and the suit, but get past that and it just drags on and on with a one-dimensional villian that has no personality, no motivation I can sympathise with as a human being. Compared to the Goblin storyline, Venom is nothing but a stain on the sidewalk.

I wouldn't put it quite so strongly, but I agree that Venom isn't that great a character. The idea of a villain who knows Peter's secrets and is immune to his spider-sense is effectively chilling, but the character is too extreme, too gruesome, and far too overexposed. And the worst thing the comics did was to turn this brutal murderer/cannibal into some kind of antihero, which is just sick.

One thing that both the '90s animated series and the movie recognized is that Venom is most effective in small doses. Given that Venom was dealt with in only a single episode here, I'm hoping this show recognizes the same thing, and that it's a long time before Venom comes back.
 
He'll be back in S2 sometime.

Though I do have to wonder why Gwen wasn't more broken up that one of her dearest friends mutated into a Spiderman-Monster and nearly killed her...
 
He'll be back in S2 sometime.

Though I do have to wonder why Gwen wasn't more broken up that one of her dearest friends mutated into a Spiderman-Monster and nearly killed her...

I don't think anyone but Peter found out that Eddie was Venom.
 
Here's a promo pic that's been released for season 2 (it gives a first look at the designs for Kraven and Mysterio):

specspideypromo01.jpg


Click here for the pic in its full size if you want a better look at Kraven and Mysterio in the background.
 
OK, jeez, where did you guys find those picture? The link gives me access denied, then I went through the whole site and there's nothing on season 2 I can find...

I was hoping to crop that a bit and print it off for my son's bedroom wall.
 
All you have to do is right-click on the link, left-click "Copy Link Address," and paste that into your address bar.
 
So this idea where they put 3 episodes together into one storyline, anyone know if there will be new content at all, even a few seconds to put context between joined scenes? Or will it be an editing job I could do at home?

I made recordings of all the eps, not sure if I really need DVD's at this point.
 
I don't think they're actually re-editing them into single pieces; it's just that the episodes were designed with 3- or 4-part arcs in mind so that each DVD would contain a complete arc.
 
I don't think they're actually re-editing them into single pieces; it's just that the episodes were designed with 3- or 4-part arcs in mind so that each DVD would contain a complete arc.

I heard somewhere that there'll be added material that was cut for time and content, but I don't remember where.
 
I knew that they were planning on doing something like this...I'm not sure though if I'm going to shell fifteen or twenty bucks a DVD just for three episodes only to discover that eventually a year from now they're going to release the entire first volume on DVD!!! This is what normally always happens! Grrr...not happy about this. The series is so damn good though that I just might!
 
Bad news a few people working for the show have been laid off
http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=10812
Greg responds...

I can't give you numbers. They still haven't picked us up for Season Three, and today we had a farewell party for the majority of the crew (that is the majority that still remains -- many have already been laid off). This includes our character designer Sean "Cheeks" Galloway. After a few more weeks, we'll be down to myself, Vic Cook and our post-production team. We're hoping when we get a pick-up that we'll be able to bring the whole crew back more or less intact, but we already know that a few individuals on our staff already have new jobs and probably will not be coming back. Vic and I and our post-team are on until early January. One would hope we'd get the pick-up by then, but if it doesn't come soon I'll HAVE to look for a new job. Preferably a new job that will allow me to come back and do Spidey if/when (probably WHEN not if) it's picked up. But beggars can't be choosers, you know, and I have a mortgage to pay and kids, dogs and a cat to feed.
By the way, after losing all our pets over the last year, we have two new (not young but new) Basset Hounds, Murray and Hermione, and a new cat (Emmy).
 
Is nobody watching season 2 then? I just got through watching 2x12, and I have to say, this season is just awesome. Some fantastic storylines, and they've really done well to keep up the quality and momentum from S1. Just a shame there's only one more episode left.
 
I've been following it, just haven't posted on it. It's been great so far (I've seen through "Subtext").

The most impressive thing about the season so far for me is the handling of Liz. You'd expect her to be a crude blocking character, but she's been wonderfully understanding, to the point that Peter's ignorant treatment of her in favour of Gwen (particularly in "Gangland") verges on making him rather unsympathetic.
 
I've been following it, just haven't posted on it. It's been great so far (I've seen through "Subtext").

The most impressive thing about the season so far for me is the handling of Liz. You'd expect her to be a crude blocking character, but she's been wonderfully understanding, to the point that Peter's ignorant treatment of her in favour of Gwen (particularly in "Gangland") verges on making him rather unsympathetic.

I think this show excels at character growth. Moreso than a lot of live-action shows. Another great example is Flash Thompson. I really like what they're doing with him, especially considering he isn't particularly a main character. He really seems to genuinely want to be more than a dumb jock, and even though his motives probably weren't great when he first asked Sha Shan out, she seems to bring out the best in him.

Aesthetically, the show is as wonderful as ever; the animators are still having a lot of fun with Spidey's abilities, and the battles he has with the various supervillains are nothing short of fantastic.

And I love that Captain Stacey pretty much knows that Parker is Spider-Man, and the nudge-nudge-wink-wink comments between the two of them.

This show, IMO, must surely go down as one of the best superhero cartoons ever made.
 
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