To Accept or Not to Accept
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Absolutely. These people know what they're doing, thank god.
Star Trek, rather unfortunately, makes no clear distinction between the social concept of race and the scientific classification of species where its characters are concerned.
Accept: Nomatter what changes are made, things can always be restored to the way they were. The changes in the timelines in Star Trek in the past were done on purpose to liven things up, If the writers wanted everything to be exactly the way they were, there's nothing to stop them writing a way for it to happen.
Accept: Even if the timeline is changed, it doesn't mean that future events nolonger happen. Timelines are like railroad tracks running beside each other, a train can move from one to the other but that doesn't mean unused tracks cease to exist. They are always there and always will be. The characters in the show won't remember being in a different timeline, but we do.
Accept: Star Trek has been in a decline for a long time now. 40 years of writing stories which span hundreds of years has made it nearly impossible for new original ideas to fit into the timeline without conflicting with already known events.
Screwing with the timeline with the option of returning it to normal anytime the writers choose to might not be such a bad idea. All the events we know still happen, the characters just have no memory of it, and it opens up hundreds of years worth of new ideas with no rules as what is or is not allowed.
Blow up a few planets, make a few species extinct, have the tribbles conquer the Klingon homeworld, it can all be undone in the end and in the meantime we get to see all the characters we grew up loving in a brand new world where anything can happen. Why shouldn't we be able to some things because some writer 40 years ago decided we couldn't?
I have no idea what changes if any are going to be made by this movie but as far as I am concerned the more the better. It will bring new fans to the show, show us things we could only dream about happening but never able to see, and can all be undone in the end.
Think of the movie as one of those great episodes where a character loses their memory, has no idea who they are, and live a different life than what we're used to seeing. Gives you great perspective on what could have been and in the end they remember who they are, everything returns to normal for them but we get to see something we could only have dreamed of.
Now imagine that that character is the Star Trek universe itself.
Not Accept: Nothing.
Sorry if a lot of this has already been said but I was too lazy to read 18 pages of posts since I've only recently returned to the forum.
Accept: Even if the timeline is changed, it doesn't mean that future events nolonger happen. Timelines are like railroad tracks running beside each other, a train can move from one to the other but that doesn't mean unused tracks cease to exist. They are always there and always will be. The characters in the show won't remember being in a different timeline, but we do.
Accept: Star Trek has been in a decline for a long time now. 40 years of writing stories which span hundreds of years has made it nearly impossible for new original ideas to fit into the timeline without conflicting with already known events.
Screwing with the timeline with the option of returning it to normal anytime the writers choose to might not be such a bad idea. All the events we know still happen, the characters just have no memory of it, and it opens up hundreds of years worth of new ideas with no rules as what is or is not allowed.
Blow up a few planets, make a few species extinct, have the tribbles conquer the Klingon homeworld, it can all be undone in the end and in the meantime we get to see all the characters we grew up loving in a brand new world where anything can happen. Why shouldn't we be able to some things because some writer 40 years ago decided we couldn't?
I have no idea what changes if any are going to be made by this movie but as far as I am concerned the more the better. It will bring new fans to the show, show us things we could only dream about happening but never able to see, and can all be undone in the end.
Think of the movie as one of those great episodes where a character loses their memory, has no idea who they are, and live a different life than what we're used to seeing. Gives you great perspective on what could have been and in the end they remember who they are, everything returns to normal for them but we get to see something we could only have dreamed of.
Now imagine that that character is the Star Trek universe itself.
Not Accept: Nothing.
Sorry if a lot of this has already been said but I was too lazy to read 18 pages of posts since I've only recently returned to the forum.
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ST-One
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And, clearly, the bar-scene is a reference to Star Wars, right?
And how is a large construction site for the Enterprise equivalent to 'building the ship in a barn'?
With both your examples you are trying to find fault where none exists.
Ok, so...
It's "Star Trek 90210" because everyone's young.
And the movie is just as bad as Top Gun because there's a scene with a motorcycle.
Got it. "Old School" Star Trek can keep you "fans."
Maybe the movie will be an exact rip off of Star Wars because we'll see an energy beam that's red.
It's "Star Trek 90210" because everyone's young.
And the movie is just as bad as Top Gun because there's a scene with a motorcycle.
Got it. "Old School" Star Trek can keep you "fans."
Maybe the movie will be an exact rip off of Star Wars because we'll see an energy beam that's red.
Rii
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That and the scene where Kirk and Spock fly an F-14 against Soviet MiGs, yeah.
The Bar scene with Pike also has a Hagrid/ Harry Potter vibe to it.
90210 is an easy term people who don't like to think things through are quick to spew out, whether it be Star Trek or Stargate or whatever else.
Though in reality, 90210, like Smallville, would apply more toward fully-grown adults pretending to be teenagers. So their ages are just fine. Hell, John Cho is almost 40!!!
What's so funny is that 90210 is at least twelve to fifteen years out-of-date as a reference to anything that young folks give a damn about. Guess how old the folks are who think the remark is clever?
Hey trevanian, here's a million dollars!
No thanks, this $100 bill literally has shit on it. Someone wiped their ass with it. I will not accept one penny because of this monstrosity.
trevanian
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What's so funny is that 90210 is at least twelve to fifteen years out-of-date as a reference to anything that young folks give a damn about. Guess how old the folks are who think the remark is clever?
it fits the age of the makers just right, unfortunately.
3D Master
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No, the book writers seem to be doing just fine. In fact, using canon, they are able to come up with far more interesting stories than if they had tossed canon out the window. The Vanguard series is a perfect example of that.
We get it, you dont like the movie. Stick to the books, then.
I don't read books :-S Im thinking in the way of movies and television.
Folks in their thirties and forties are less perceptive, talented or clever than older people, and their values less admirable? You're really not the one to make that case, sorry.
This movie is already as valid a take on Trek as it needs to be. Fans can have all of the opinions they want - if it bombs, no more Trek; if it succeeds, it is Star Trek. As someone said, it's too late for the pebbles to vote.
Couldn't agree more, which is why I think the more they change it at least for one movie before returning to a more well known timeline the better.
Accept: Star Treks future has already been decided, we just don't know what the result is yet.
Accept: Star Treks future has already been decided, we just don't know what the result is yet.
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