So the timeline changes when

[Michael]

Yes it is true that the Kelvin incident prompts them to develop better technologies, and this Enterprise is constructed long after it was originally constructed in original timeline.

I didn't know that had actually been confirmed...

It hasn't, as far as I know.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Daniels is going to come back and wonder what the hell happened to the timeline again, I thought I fixed this already with Archer!

Wasn't the "place" in spacetime that Daniels came from shown as destroyed?

It was presumably restored after Archer fixed the timeline.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

The time line obviously scures off into another tangent when the Kelvin is destroyed, the Star Trek Universe we're aware of (which includes TNG DS9 and VOY etc) still exists but Spock has now disappeared from that particular timeline and universe and exists now instead in an alternate universe created by his own time travelling.

Therefore the new movie is not the same Trek universe we've grown up with but is a completely new one where anything is now possible.

The explanation given for the movie would seem to indicate that whenever time travel has occured in Trek we've been introduced to new timelines and universes. The resulting new timelines have always been kept the same however thanks to our heroes sorting out the problems. So in First Contact the Borg and Ent-E created a new timeline but one that ended up following the same general path. In the new movie Spock has altered the timeline so drastically that there will be no rectifying it so this new timeline will be completely different from the one Spock came from.

Get me?

Fixing the timeline is simple: Prevent Nero from destroying the Kelvin in the first place.

That this never seems to occur to Spock is particularly alarming, especially when presented with the mother of all reset buttons, time travel.

But you are making an assumption that Spock still has time travel capability after the initial jump, secondly there's no reason to believe Spock can stop Nero on his own even if he was still capable of time travelling. What exactly could he do? use his mind melding ability and meld with Neros ship in a space suit and make it self destruct?

The second example in the picture gives the theory that most people here on the forums are taking. Each jump creates a new timeline, while the original just keeps going on minus one time traveller who left to another parallel line. That could result in many different timelines, all different form each other. I dont like the idea of this one because then any other timeline from the original one feels less legitimate, like i said. It also means that in our "Prime" timeline, Spock simply dissapears. That is how he ends. Picard goes "WTF whered spock go?" and thats all there is to it. That is depressing. That also makes his mission a lot less personal. He's on a mission to save an alternate universe Kirk, it will mean nothing whatsoever to his own universe (except that he abandoned it).

This is the theory that I use too, except I disagree with you that it makes the mission less personal. Spock is literally responsible for this new timelines creation. Spock should consider himself the guardian of this new timeline since it's of his very own creation. If spock was to just leave things be it would mean the deaths of billions of people on Earth and Vulcan possibly even more. Their lives are just as important as the lives of those in his own original timeline.
Spock knows that things in this timeline should follow the path it should have followed because if it doesn't it could be disastrous. Imagine how the galaxy might turn out if Nero succesfully destroyed the Federation in the 23rd century.

 

[Blackout]

Blackout: The second example in the picture gives the theory that most people here on the forums are taking. Each jump creates a new timeline, while the original just keeps going on minus one time traveller who left to another parallel line. That could result in many different timelines, all different form each other. I dont like the idea of this one because then any other timeline from the original one feels less legitimate, like i said. It also means that in our "Prime" timeline, Spock simply dissapears. That is how he ends. Picard goes "WTF whered spock go?" and thats all there is to it. That is depressing. That also makes his mission a lot less personal. He's on a mission to save an alternate universe Kirk, it will mean nothing whatsoever to his own universe (except that he abandoned it).
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Tachyon Shield: This is the theory that I use too, except I disagree with you that it makes the mission less personal. Spock is literally responsible for this new timelines creation. Spock should consider himself the guardian of this new timeline since it's of his very own creation. If spock was to just leave things be it would mean the deaths of billions of people on Earth and Vulcan possibly even more. Their lives are just as important as the lives of those in his own original timeline.
Spock knows that things in this timeline should follow the path it should have followed because if it doesn't it could be disastrous. Imagine how the galaxy might turn out if Nero succesfully destroyed the Federation in the 23rd century.

Well, assuming that each time jump creates a new timeline, and Spock goes back in his own timeship that we have seen (and not on the same ship as nero), that means that Spock didnt actually help the timeline Nero ruined. He actually made yet another timeline after that one.

1. Original timeline. Nero jumps back. After that, spock jumps back on his own. Kirk and buddies do fine.
2. Timline created by Nero's first jump. No future-spock to be found, nero wins. Vulcan is destroyed, romulans control the galaxy.
3. Timeline created by Spock's jump after Nero's jump. A third timeline where spock fixes things. Movie timeline.

So spock doesnt really save the new timeline, either. He just creates a third timeline to....make up for it. I dont think that's good enough.
Plus I still dont like the idea of spock simply dissapearing from the original timeline. Poof.
Plus, if you use the multiple timeline idea, that suggest that every time time-travel has ever happened, it created a new timeline. Which means that even by the end of TOS, we werent in the prime timeline anymore. We havent been in the prime timeline in 40 years of television. In fact, we've been jumping from timeline to timeline ever since. In the original timeline, the enterprise just dissapeared during one of their various missions where they travelled through time, and kirk never even got to finish the 5 year mission. THATS the REAL prime timeline. Do you really want that?
In fact, looking at this list, it means that today as of right now...star trek is in somewhere around its 50th timeline. We are 50 timelines away from the actual Prime timeline. Star Trek XI is not timeline 2. Star Trek XI is timeline 52. I just...i dont like that.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

1. Original timeline. Nero jumps back. After that, spock jumps back on his own. Kirk and buddies do fine.
2. Timline created by Nero's first jump. No future-spock to be found, nero wins. Vulcan is destroyed, romulans control the galaxy.
3. Timeline created by Spock's jump after Nero's jump. A third timeline where spock fixes things. Movie timeline.

But you're working on assumptions, we don't know specifically or for definite what time travelling actually takes place, by whom or when and where indeed each person ends up.

 

[Blackout]

1. Original timeline. Nero jumps back. After that, spock jumps back on his own. Kirk and buddies do fine.
2. Timline created by Nero's first jump. No future-spock to be found, nero wins. Vulcan is destroyed, romulans control the galaxy.
3. Timeline created by Spock's jump after Nero's jump. A third timeline where spock fixes things. Movie timeline.

But you're working on assumptions, we don't know specifically or for definite what time travelling actually takes place, by whom or when and where indeed each person ends up.

True. We'll just have to find out when the movie comes out.

 

[pookha]

Yes it is true that the Kelvin incident prompts them to develop better technologies, and this Enterprise is constructed long after it was originally constructed in original timeline.

I didn't know that had actually been confirmed...

It hasn't, as far as I know.

heck even that is contradicted within canon itself.

at least one canon reference implies she wasnt that old at all.

heck we still dont know at what time periods different things happen in the new film.

but considering that line about kirk that nero says in the new trailer changing kirk was part of his plans.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

There's no reason the believe the Enterprise wasn't still constructed in 2245 and launched under the command of Pike. Kirk when he watched it's construction on his bike probably joined the academy at that time so by the time Kirk and McCoy etc end up aboard the Enterprise to fight Nero the Enterprise has probably been in space for several years.

The film doesn't focus on one time period, we see Kirk as a young boy at one point!!

 

[Jakks]

all this time travel talk makes my head hurt.

 

[StephanieFaith]

Wormholes ~ What are they exactly? And do they involve giant galatic worms?

 

[StephanieFaith]

I love time travel stories but they do tend to hurt the head a bit Dean Koontz wrote an interesting time travel yarn, "LIGHTNING" http://www.mouthshut.com/review/Lightning_-_Dean_Koontz-138632-1.html

 

[The Wormhole]

Wormholes ~ What are they exactly? And do they involve giant galatic worms?

I'll tell you what they aren't. They aren't tolerant of the number zero.

 

[The Academic]

I'll tell you what they aren't. They aren't tolerant of the number zero.

You're never giving up, aren't you, Don Quixote?

 

[The Wormhole]

I'll tell you what they aren't. They aren't tolerant of the number zero.

You're never giving up, aren't you, Don Quixote?

You know, even after checking Wikipedia, I don't understand that referance.

 

[Michael]

I'll tell you what they aren't. They aren't tolerant of the number zero.

You're never giving up, aren't you, Don Quixote?

You know, even after checking Wikipedia, I don't understand that referance.

Here.

 

[The Wormhole]

You're never giving up, aren't you, Don Quixote?

You know, even after checking Wikipedia, I don't understand that referance.

Here.

Well, that does clarify things somewhat. Though it also speaks volumes of the low opinions held in regards to my views on zero.

 

[The Academic]

[...] Though it also speaks volumes of the low opinions held in regards to my views on zero.

Suum cuique...

 

[Samurai8472]

Daniels is going to come back and wonder what the hell happened to the timeline again, I thought I fixed this already with Archer!

Archer opens the garage door to reveal his 1985 Toyota truck
Daniels bursts in with his time machine
Daniels- Archer! you gotta come back with me!
Archer-where?
Archer- Back to the future!

 

[Son_of_Soong]

*Nero sneaks into the garage while Archer is with Daniels and tampers with the brakes of the vehicle, which a young Kirk steals, ends up on the run from police, and drives the car off a cliff trying to escape, diving out of it to survive since the brakes wouldn't work*

 

[StephanieFaith]

You're never giving up, aren't you, Don Quixote?

You know, even after checking Wikipedia, I don't understand that referance.

Here.

Windmills...tilting...? What's that to do with wormholes?