To Accept or Not to Accept

[hal9500]

Star Trek has one history...

You clearly haven't paid much attention then. As a TV show/movie series it has a history, the history of an Entertainment franchise that went from a failed TV show to juggernaunt that spawned several movies and TV spin offs. The "history" actually presented in those shows and movies is wildly inconsistant and contradictory. I doubt a professional historian looking at the facts presented would even call it history. Mythology maybe, since the rules in Myths aren't all that strict. This movie is just a new take on the myths.

Im sorry friend i disagree. Certainly there are inconsistencies, with out a doubt. But key events in the history, as spock called them focal points, remain the same throughout. Kitomer, spocks death and resurrection, genesis device, kahn, the borg, the dominion war...

Every now and again especially in enterprise they would come close to damaging the continuety and then... it would return to normal... the borg and romulan episodes.. They worked perfectly in the continuety of the series. (albeit not being brillaint episodes in the minds of many fans)

Im very surprised to see the willingness of trekkies to just write off everything and star fresh.... This show had a history and its now going to be re written.... "to allow it to appeal to a wider audience"

For the sake of 1 or 2 films were erasing star trek TOS to TNG & company...

The reason enterprise failed was the attempt to make it appeal to a wider audience... the reason yoyager started to decline was the producers wish to have it appeal to a wider audience....

Star trek will never appeal to a wider audience.... Its a cult franchise... It seems the powers that be will never accept that...

 

[Amaris]

Im sorry friend i disagree. Certainly there are inconsistencies, with out a doubt. But key events in the history, as spock called them focal points, remain the same throughout. Kitomer, spocks death and resurrection, genesis device, kahn, the borg, the dominion war...

Every now and again especially in enterprise they would come close to damaging the continuety and then... it would return to normal... the borg and romulan episodes.. They worked perfectly in the continuety of the series. (albeit not being brillaint episodes in the minds of many fans)

Im very surprised to see the willingness of trekkies to just write off everything and star fresh.... This show had a history and its now going to be re written.... "to allow it to appeal to a wider audience"

For the sake of 1 or 2 films were erasing star trek TOS to TNG & company...

The reason enterprise failed was the attempt to make it appeal to a wider audience... the reason yoyager started to decline was the producers wish to have it appeal to a wider audience....

Star trek will never appeal to a wider audience.... Its a cult franchise... It seems the powers that be will never accept that...

The mid 1990's would disagree with you. TNG was extraordinarily popular, winning 18 Emmy awards over it's lifetime, a Peabody, and two Hugo awards. At one point TNG had almost 11 million viewers tune in every week. So it's appeal to a wide audience is already there, and J.J. is going to take it a step further and reach new people. Will it work? Who knows, but it's worth the effort to at least try.

J.

 

[Australis]

I apologise profusely to all, but I've skipped most of this after the first two pages. I see what the argument is.

I'd like to offer a different proposition.

The original; ST universe as we know it goes on. In a different universe, Nero & Spock come back and start a whole different thing.

They all exist. The only difference is... we're changing our Point Of View.

The universe where Kirk is swept away by the Nexus exists. The universe where Voyager gets home after some resetting by Chakotay and Harry exists. So, probably, does the one where their ship blows up and there is no reset. There are paths we follow and some we don't.

This time we're going down a wholecdifferent path. Ta da.

 

[smegger56]

I apologise profusely to all, but I've skipped most of this after the first two pages. I see what the argument is.

I'd like to offer a different proposition.

The original; ST universe as we know it goes on. In a different universe, Nero & Spock come back and start a whole different thing.

They all exist. The only difference is... we're changing our Point Of View.

The universe where Kirk is swept away by the Nexus exists. The universe where Voyager gets home after some resetting by Chakotay and Harry exists. So, probably, does the one where their ship blows up and there is no reset. There are paths we follow and some we don't.

This time we're going down a wholecdifferent path. Ta da.

Then there goes every Trek time travel episode. I'd like to think that the events of Trek have led to Nero going back in time and everything is altered in the prime timeline.

Otherwise, there is a BIG plot hole in the story already. But, hey, lets wait and see the flick

 

[Australis]

In the original universe, it splits in two when there's a Nero who goes back, and one who doesn't, who perishes with his family instead (as per comic).

'An' original universe goes on, 'another' one is changed. Which universe I look is the main change. Works for me.

 

[hal9500]

In the original universe, it splits in two when there's a Nero who goes back, and one who doesn't, who perishes with his family instead (as per comic).

'An' original universe goes on, 'another' one is changed. Which universe I look is the main change. Works for me.

A good idea, and this certainly allows many to except the reboot.

Unfortunately regardless of how we justify it this is a reboot. When Nero goes back from the proper/current timeline, and alters it in the way we have been led to believe he will, the current timeline will cease to exist... ironically the only thing that will remain is enterprise. TOS, TNG, Voyager, DS0 and the movies are gone..... Certainly if much of the events in these series/movies, may occur but differently... When i think of the eighties i think of Star Trek Wrath of Kahn, Search for spock etc, when i think of the nineties, i remember the next generation... DS9 .. the dominion war, the borg, first contact... etc

This is obviously going to happen and as you said it will allow a reboot, renwal... who knows maybe a new series.... Regardless, its out with the old in with the new... This I Personally Cannot Accept... I have a right to this stance/viewpoint.

And for all those people who post the old "Its Not REAL" messages along with "get a life!", well right back at you. I know its not real... but thats not to say it isnt important to me!

 

[Captain Pike]

Unfortunately regardless of how we justify it this is a reboot. When Nero goes back from the proper/current timeline, and alters it in the way we have been led to believe he will, the current timeline will cease to exist... ironically the only thing that will remain is enterprise. TOS, TNG, Voyager, DS0 and the movies are gone..... Certainly if much of the events in these series/movies, may occur but differently... When i think of the eighties i think of Star Trek Wrath of Kahn, Search for spock etc, when i think of the nineties, i remember the next generation... DS9 .. the dominion war, the borg, first contact... etc

Non sequitur.

 

[ST-One]

[... the current timeline will cease to exist...

No, it doesn't.
We simple don't follow it anymore.

 

[The Academic]

In the original universe, it splits in two when there's a Nero who goes back, and one who doesn't, who perishes with his family instead (as per comic).

'An' original universe goes on, 'another' one is changed. Which universe I look is the main change. Works for me.

A good idea, and this certainly allows many to except the reboot.

Unfortunately regardless of how we justify it this is a reboot. When Nero goes back from the proper/current timeline, and alters it in the way we have been led to believe he will, the current timeline will cease to exist... ironically the only thing that will remain is enterprise. TOS, TNG, Voyager, DS0 and the movies are gone..... Certainly if much of the events in these series/movies, may occur but differently... When i think of the eighties i think of Star Trek Wrath of Kahn, Search for spock etc, when i think of the nineties, i remember the next generation... DS9 .. the dominion war, the borg, first contact... etc

This is obviously going to happen and as you said it will allow a reboot, renwal... who knows maybe a new series.... Regardless, its out with the old in with the new... This I Personally Cannot Accept... I have a right to this stance/viewpoint.

And for all those people who post the old "Its Not REAL" messages along with "get a life!", well right back at you. I know its not real... but thats not to say it isnt important to me!

Well, I see you've found a whole bunch of new victims. Good for you!

 

[Captain Pike]

Indeed.

For those having trouble with the multiverse concept, I suggest you read the Peter David novel Q Squared. The first thing you'll notice is the chapters are contained within divisions of "Tracks", denoting separate but parallel time-tracks. It starts off with "Track A", then a short while later jumps to "Track B" and finally "Track C". All are valid and co-existing in alternate realities - it's actually Track B which we find out is the one we are familiar with, the "Prime" timeline so to speak, but the creation of the others in no way alters, diminishes or destroys this timeline.

 

[hal9500]

In the original universe, it splits in two when there's a Nero who goes back, and one who doesn't, who perishes with his family instead (as per comic).

'An' original universe goes on, 'another' one is changed. Which universe I look is the main change. Works for me.

A good idea, and this certainly allows many to except the reboot.

Unfortunately regardless of how we justify it this is a reboot. When Nero goes back from the proper/current timeline, and alters it in the way we have been led to believe he will, the current timeline will cease to exist... ironically the only thing that will remain is enterprise. TOS, TNG, Voyager, DS0 and the movies are gone..... Certainly if much of the events in these series/movies, may occur but differently... When i think of the eighties i think of Star Trek Wrath of Kahn, Search for spock etc, when i think of the nineties, i remember the next generation... DS9 .. the dominion war, the borg, first contact... etc

This is obviously going to happen and as you said it will allow a reboot, renwal... who knows maybe a new series.... Regardless, its out with the old in with the new... This I Personally Cannot Accept... I have a right to this stance/viewpoint.

And for all those people who post the old "Its Not REAL" messages along with "get a life!", well right back at you. I know its not real... but thats not to say it isnt important to me!

Well, I see you've found a whole bunch of new victims. Good for you!

Never say die!!! lol One small step for sombreros! On giant leap for sombrero Kind!

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

the current timeline will cease to exist

It never existed. It was a flawed fictional setting for a lot of made-up stories, that's all. It will probably serve as the setting for some stories in the future - just not expensive movies produced by the people who actually own Star Trek.

Whether one "accepts" that or not doesn't change the fact that it's true, just as not "accepting" a movie doesn't alter it or the studio's future plans for their property.

 

[hal9500]

the current timeline will cease to exist

It never existed. It was a flawed fictional setting for a lot of made-up stories, that's all. It will probably serve as the setting for some stories in the future - just not expensive movies produced by the people who actually own Star Trek.

Whether one "accepts" that or not doesn't change the fact that it's true, just as not "accepting" a movie doesn't alter it or the studio's future plans for their property.

Star trek doesn't exist.... no messages from the future...?
WOW.... I cant believe i never copped that!! Thanks for revealing the truth to me.... So that's why my request to join starfleet was never answered!!!

What other amazing revelations will be made... Let me guess , your going to say there's no such thing as warp drive are you...

God i cant believe ive been deceived from birth... maybe this is just a holodeck!!

 

[Borgminister]

Im sorry friend i disagree. Certainly there are inconsistencies, with out a doubt. But key events in the history, as spock called them focal points, remain the same throughout. Kitomer, spocks death and resurrection, genesis device, kahn, the borg, the dominion war...

Every now and again especially in enterprise they would come close to damaging the continuety and then... it would return to normal... the borg and romulan episodes.. They worked perfectly in the continuety of the series. (albeit not being brillaint episodes in the minds of many fans)

Im very surprised to see the willingness of trekkies to just write off everything and star fresh.... This show had a history and its now going to be re written.... "to allow it to appeal to a wider audience"

For the sake of 1 or 2 films were erasing star trek TOS to TNG & company...

The reason enterprise failed was the attempt to make it appeal to a wider audience... the reason yoyager started to decline was the producers wish to have it appeal to a wider audience....

Star trek will never appeal to a wider audience.... Its a cult franchise... It seems the powers that be will never accept that...

The mid 1990's would disagree with you. TNG was extraordinarily popular, winning 18 Emmy awards over it's lifetime, a Peabody, and two Hugo awards. At one point TNG had almost 11 million viewers tune in every week. So it's appeal to a wide audience is already there, and J.J. is going to take it a step further and reach new people. Will it work? Who knows, but it's worth the effort to at least try.

J.

Check and mate.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Star trek doesn't exist.... no messages from the future...?
WOW.... I cant believe i never copped that!! Thanks for revealing the truth to me.... So that's why my request to join starfleet was never answered!

Glad to have helped. Don't feel too badly about it; you're hardly alone.

 

[Guartho]

the current timeline will cease to exist

GREAT SCOTT!

 

[Augustus]

I know a lot of people spent a lot of time watching and re-watching episodes, scouring over technical manuals and memorizing every detail of everything.

But I don't see how this new movie affects that. I kind of look at it as an investment. My brothers and I spent hours watching old TNG episodes as a kid and it is fun to look back on, and all of the time and emotional investment I gave then is THE REASON I am excited and hopeful about a new movie now.

 

[xortex]

Indeed.

For those having trouble with the multiverse concept, I suggest you read the Peter David novel Q Squared. The first thing you'll notice is the chapters are contained within divisions of "Tracks", denoting separate but parallel time-tracks. It starts off with "Track A", then a short while later jumps to "Track B" and finally "Track C". All are valid and co-existing in alternate realities - it's actually Track B which we find out is the one we are familiar with, the "Prime" timeline so to speak, but the creation of the others in no way alters, diminishes or destroys this timeline.

Except that how can any timeline be better than TOS?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Except that how can any timeline be better than TOS?

And just why shouldn't one be?

 

[xortex]

Except that how can any timeline be better than TOS?

And just why shouldn't one be?