Doctor Doom would just steal his power like he did the Beyonder's.
I've determined that Marvel has superior villains than DC
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You think the praise the Joker gets is due to a movie that came out last year? Because people have been praising the Joker and naming him one of DC's top villains for far, far longer than that.
Not in my neck of the woods they haven't.
Hmm it's a combination of both. I think among comic book fans, it's been known for a long time that Joker may be one of the most, if not most evil of villans. One of my first comics was "Death in the Family". He can be maniac and psychotic and calculating all at the same time. What's the point in annihliating everyone in the world (as many popular Marvel and even DC villians do) if there's nobody to grieve for the dead. Joker is written to be completely different. He wants to hurt people so that other people can see the pain and be forced to witness it, relive, spread it, etc, etc.
But in terms of the general public, yes, I definately think Heath Ledger's performance in the Dark Knight had a huge contribution to his reputation as a villian.
But in terms of the general public, yes, I definately think Heath Ledger's performance in the Dark Knight had a huge contribution to his reputation as a villian.
Hey don't forget Thanos, lol.
Gotta give a shoutout for Infinity Gauntlet. My first comic book crossover story line.
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The way I see it, the Joker is the ultimate villain of one of the top three superheroes on the planet. He has been for 70 years. That automatically makes him a contender. Then consider that Batman's more popular than even Superman and possibly even Spider-Man these days. Then consider that the guy who played him in a $1 Billion dollar movie just won a frickin' Oscar for it. Then consider that, throughout the years, the character has already been played to great effect in other major television and film productions. Overall, there is little doubt in my mind that Joker is currently the greatest comic book villain.
Yep. He has a certain built in flexibility that has allowed him to be a primary villain in spite of the wild tone changes comics have made over the years. He fit right in as the Comics Code joyful criminal clown with big toys and gags, as well as the embodiment of evil who beats Robin to death with a crowbar during comics most brutal era. I don't know of too many other villains who make these transitions so easily without changing who they are or what they do. The Penguin became an arms dealer, Luthor a kingpin, but the Joker remains steady.
Luthor wishes he were as smart as Doom.
Dunno, I'd say that Luthor seems to be equal to Doom. He just isn't as hammy and is more malevolent. Luthor doesn't NEED to have his own country to rule while fighting his enemy because he knows as soon as Supes is gone he'll be in charge of the world anyways. He doesn't need that self-glorification right now, he can wait.
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And Lex keeps on waiting while Doom takes what he wants...now.
Who's Darkseid? The big dude with laser eyes? The guy has no style, he's like a bull at a china shop
The Surfer alone would eat him up and crap him out.
I agree Marvel has much better villains than DC
but if you count quality not quantity DC still has the best, Ivy, Joker, Catwoman, Scarecrow, Two Face
Villains like these are Iconic
however once you remove the Batman villains there isn't much left in DC
Lex is one of the worst villains, the only reason Lex Luthor is so menacing is because goody-two-shoes self righteous Superman keeps letting him live after he tries to destroy Metropolis, blow up the World etc
For more Superman self righteousness see here
http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=28&Itemid=45
If Thor or Wolverine met Luthor the guy would be gutted Punisher style....problem solved!
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/162/thor03picture20uc6.jpg
The Marvel anti-Hero solution, let the criminals and citizens cower in fear
Marvel's kinda weird with its heroes,
you got anti-hero guys like Stark, Thor and Punisher, and it gets difficult to draw the line between good guy and bad guy
Heck if you look at Magento's past objectively, the concentration camp history and his efforts to stand up for his own race suddenly bad guys like him don't seem too bad
If I were to make a list of 40 my top 5 villains would all be DC
of the next 35 they would predominately be Marvel, I might throw in a few manga, 2000ad, darkhorse or image comic characters just to flesh it out
The Surfer alone would eat him up and crap him out.
I agree Marvel has much better villains than DC
but if you count quality not quantity DC still has the best, Ivy, Joker, Catwoman, Scarecrow, Two Face
Villains like these are Iconic
however once you remove the Batman villains there isn't much left in DC
As soon as Supes is gone someone like Batman will come in, do a proper job and either lock him in an asylum or drop him from a tall building. Try ruling the world while your in an asylum or splatted all over the pavement
Lex is one of the worst villains, the only reason Lex Luthor is so menacing is because goody-two-shoes self righteous Superman keeps letting him live after he tries to destroy Metropolis, blow up the World etc
For more Superman self righteousness see here
http://superdickery.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=28&Itemid=45
If Thor or Wolverine met Luthor the guy would be gutted Punisher style....problem solved!
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/162/thor03picture20uc6.jpg
The Marvel anti-Hero solution, let the criminals and citizens cower in fear
Marvel's kinda weird with its heroes,
you got anti-hero guys like Stark, Thor and Punisher, and it gets difficult to draw the line between good guy and bad guy
Heck if you look at Magento's past objectively, the concentration camp history and his efforts to stand up for his own race suddenly bad guys like him don't seem too bad
If I were to make a list of 40 my top 5 villains would all be DC
of the next 35 they would predominately be Marvel, I might throw in a few manga, 2000ad, darkhorse or image comic characters just to flesh it out
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Never underestimate the will of DOOM!
The Joker and Lex Luthor are kind of played out. Really, the Joker's best days are behind him--he beat Jason Todd to death and crippled Barbara Gordon. What's he gonna do to top that? Lex Luthor has interesting turns perpetually undermined by his evilosity.
You know who I really liked? Alexander Luthor from Infinite Crisis. He went off the rails in the end, but really, all he wanted to do was make a perfect world.
The Flash's villains are all kind of interesting, but they're like the vast majority of Spider-Man's--one-note. With I suppose the exception of Professor Zoom.
Magneto? My God, he does the same thing over and over again. I wish they'd left him dead when Chris Claremont killed him. I guess Apocalypse and Stryfe couldn't fill Erik Lensherr's metal shoes so they brought him back. Seriously, Grant Morrison had it right in New X-Men: he's just some old hate-filled fart who's better off on a T-shirt than trying to keep clawing his way back into the comics.
The best comic villains are Jim Starlin's--Thanos and the Magus. I miss Adam Warlock. Afaik they screwed Thanos up too in the past decade.
You know who I really liked? Alexander Luthor from Infinite Crisis. He went off the rails in the end, but really, all he wanted to do was make a perfect world.
The Flash's villains are all kind of interesting, but they're like the vast majority of Spider-Man's--one-note. With I suppose the exception of Professor Zoom.
Magneto? My God, he does the same thing over and over again. I wish they'd left him dead when Chris Claremont killed him. I guess Apocalypse and Stryfe couldn't fill Erik Lensherr's metal shoes so they brought him back. Seriously, Grant Morrison had it right in New X-Men: he's just some old hate-filled fart who's better off on a T-shirt than trying to keep clawing his way back into the comics.
The best comic villains are Jim Starlin's--Thanos and the Magus. I miss Adam Warlock. Afaik they screwed Thanos up too in the past decade.
