Is there any Star Trek that is not "canon" for you?

[Norrin Radd]

Do you reject certain Star Trek episodes/series/movies that you don't like?

Do you boot them into an alternate universe of sorts...a parallel reality?

I do.

For me, the following is not canon:

All of The Animated Series
All of Voyager
All of Enterprise
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
Star Trek Generations
Star Trek Insurrection
Star Trek Nemesis

 

[CDR6]

I would have to say ALL of the movies...first we got Spocked to death, then it was time for the directors favorite game "Lets beat the shit out of the Enterprise!" So all in all they didn't live up to the promise of TOS. (for what ever reason..) Originally, the Enterprise was a character of it's own, and once that concept was abandoned in favor of making it a plot device...all was lost for the "Big E". I don't think Capt. Kirk voiced his romance with the ship in any of the films as he did in the series. (TNG of course had the immortal "No bloody A,B,C, or D"... of Mr Scott.)

The television shows (the most correct format for Star Trek IMHO) were "good to go" as canon for the most part.

-Chuck

 

[Norrin Radd]

I would have to say ALL of the movies...first we got Spocked to death, then it time for the directors favorite game "Lets beat the shit out of the Enterprise!"

The television shows (the most correct format for Star Trek IMHO) were good to go as canon for the most part.

-Chuck

I would have rejected all of the movies except TWOK, but I like TUC too much so I need TSFS and TVH, unfortunately...

I do like First Contact, but it by itself doesn't serve as a good ending for the TNG series...

 

[Nerys Myk]

Nah, there's just stuff I don't like.

 

[WillsBabe]

I remember seeing a Voyager episode where there's something to do with an omega particle. I remember thinking while I was watching it, "I'm just going to pretend this doesn't exist." I did well, really, since that's about the only thing I can remember about it! I'm also dubious that Spock's ancestor is Sherlock Holmes.

 

[TigerOfDarkness]

Nah, there's just stuff I don't like.

Agreed. There are episodes/movies I wish they had done differently but I accept them as part of Star Trek.

 

[MyCylon]

Anything that's been filmed is 'canon', as far as I'm concerned. However, Trek's is a fictional universe whose main goal is entertainment. Hence I have my own version of this universe that exempts the parts I don't like. I suppose that's basically what you're looking for. I just wanted to point out that I think there's a slight difference. Plus I don't think 'canon' is very important at all.

In my version of the Trek universe, here's what doesn't exist:

- TFF
- GEN
- INS
- NEM
- VOY
- ENT
- Many episodes of TNG
- Some episodes / scenes from DS9 and TOS

 

[apenpaap]

This is what never happened, IMO:
TFF
NEM
These are the Voyages
Threshold
Fury

 

[trilbymonkey]

For me, it all happened. I just don't like certain things, for example ALL of ENT and most of DS9.

Apart from that, I'm happy.

 

[Sky]

TAS and TFF do not exist in my reality. I don't especially like VOY or ENT but can accept them as canon.

 

[number6]

If it was produced by the people who make Star Trek and it appeared on screen, it's canon. End of story..

There are things here and there that I didn't like, but I'm not going to stick my head in the sand and "pretend it never happened." That's pretty silly.

 

[Dane_Whitman]

There are things here and there that I didn't like, but I'm not going to stick my head in the sand and "pretend it never happened." That's pretty silly.

Agreed. As much as I'd like to disregard TFF and "Rascals", there's some pretty solid evidence sitting on my very shelf that proves that they did happen in the Trek universe. Ofcourse it's okay to have a 'personal canon', but that doesn't really work for me. The Trek universe is made up of whatever makes it onscreen and that makes "Threshold" as much part of canon as "In The Pale Moonlight".

 

[mythme]

I accept it all as canon but TATV comes REALLY CLOSE to being bumped off the list. Given that it all occurs on the holodeck, I like to imagine that the program is just really screwed up.

 

[MyCylon]

There are things here and there that I didn't like, but I'm not going to stick my head in the sand and "pretend it never happened." That's pretty silly.

See, I don't understand why you'd consider it silly. It's an imagined universe in the first place. So why can't I imagine it to be the way I think it should be?

For me, for example, excluding certain episodes and certain events makes the universe far more enjoyable. And what's wrong with that?

I mean, I don't deny that those things were filmed, and I don't deny or mind that other people count all of it in. But what's the problem with seeing a fictional universe meant to be entertainment in a way that makes it more entertaining for oneself?

 

[john titor]

Nemesis by a long shot, its totally uncanon for me, killing data off was its worst crime, introducing the remans and the picard clone was equally bad. Voy threshold is another one, Generations for making absolutely no sense and the senseless and profoundly unecessary and stupid killing off of Picards family. Hmmm First Contact comes very close, as it ruined the mystique of the borg by bringing in the queen.

Of course the TOS space hippies and Aberham Lincoln episodes will forever be enshrined in the canon

 

[GodThingFormerly]

I utterly reject the existence of everything labeled "Star Trek" that wasn't created and produced by Gene Roddenberry.

TGT

 

[Forbin]

Nah, there's just stuff I don't like.

That's too damn reasonable an answer.

Well, I flat-out deny that Enterprise ever existed, so everything that happened on that show - didn't.

I take Voyager as canon, but, like Myk, there are things I just don't like, so I throw them into my Pile of Denial™, along with one or two things from TNG.

That "Warp flight, no left or right" shit came out of nowhere, and clearly contradicted everything that came before it.

The Omega Particle was just a stupid, childish idea.

Sentient holographic doctor? Bullshit.

From TNG I just ignore that "green message" warp 5 speed limit crap.

 

[JustKate]

Nah, there's just stuff I don't like.

Very funny and concise, and it also happens to coincide with my opinion.

If you want to call it "canon," you can't pick and choose. You can call it "my personal canon," I guess, or "the part of Trek that I choose to recognize as canon." But by definition, canon means "an accepted principle or rule"; "a criterion or standard of judgment"; or "a body of principles, rules, standards, or norms."

So if you start picking and choosing...well, it's not "accepted" or "standard," is it? So for me, everything live-action that was broadcast or distributed to movie theaters is canon, whether it's good, bad or indifferent. I used to include TAS, but there was a thread about this just a few days ago, and it turns out that Paramount actually specifies "live action" in its definition of Trek canon. I never liked the animated series anyway, and I can't remember any of the episodes, so I don't mind letting it go.

 

[QuasarVM]

To me, as bad as some of it may be...if it's on screen (either TV or Movie), it's canon.

 

[captcalhoun]

canon shmanon. there's stuff i omit from my personal continuity, like TATV, Threshold, Spock's Brain and Way to Eden...but i also add in books and my own fan-fic...