^ I've still got that. Haven't seen it in about 15 years but I'm sure it's fine in the box I left it in.
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What really didn't make sense about Skyfire was that he already possessed an earth jet alt mode when he crash landed on earth no later than four million years in earth's past. And Starscream in a flashback was already an F-15, millions of years before he was supposed to have taken than form. Pretty big goofs. (Then again, Skyfire's origin episode was the one where we find out the earth's core is composed of green crystal.)
Better not tell the Inhumanoids, but I guess when you've seen one elemental core you've seen them all.
To be fair, Jetfire's alt mode wasn't any Earth jet at all. It resembled an Earth jet in some ways, but since it was just a blocky, slight redesign of a Robotech Veritech, I don't consider that a goof.
Starscream however - yeah...whoops.
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I like the Jetfire that was a space shuttle personally, SR-71 is good too.
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I thought Starscream, Thundercracker, and Skywarp all transform into Tri-jets back on Cybertron
They did. It was probably easier to simply animate Starscream's Earth vehicle mode, even though he shouldn't have had it then, because it was part of his normal character model. They did the same thing with the Constructicons on Cybertron in "Secret of Omega Supreme."
Here's the pic of Jetfire fighting Skorponok in Egypt from the trailer. You can see the landing gear he uses as a cane in his hand.
Jetfire wasn't a redesigned Veritech from Macross. he WAS a veritech from Macross heh. I think the story goes the Japanese toymakers re-used certain models from other shows and one of them was the Veritech for Jetfire. Although then the Macross stuff started selling better and they lost the rights to continue selling Jetfire toys so they changed him a little bit, called him Skyfire and made up a new model.
The main problem comes from the US release. He was sold over here as Jetfire and unlike Japan where the Veritech was released first and then continued to be released because of murky legal rights and other things because Hasbro brought over and released Jetfire there was never an official US toy release of the Veritech.
There were stuff you could import, there were releases of other toys from Macross (I believe I had battlepods that the Zentraedi piloted as a kid), there was plenty of the stuff from the other 2 anime series which then formed Robotech, but sadly no Veritechs because of Jetfire when I was a kid.
I did have the Jetfire toy though, because I think the Veritech design is my favorite transforming vehicle to robot toy of all-time.
Although a close second was the original Megatron gun. That thing was pretty bad-ass.
The main problem comes from the US release. He was sold over here as Jetfire and unlike Japan where the Veritech was released first and then continued to be released because of murky legal rights and other things because Hasbro brought over and released Jetfire there was never an official US toy release of the Veritech.
There were stuff you could import, there were releases of other toys from Macross (I believe I had battlepods that the Zentraedi piloted as a kid), there was plenty of the stuff from the other 2 anime series which then formed Robotech, but sadly no Veritechs because of Jetfire when I was a kid.
I did have the Jetfire toy though, because I think the Veritech design is my favorite transforming vehicle to robot toy of all-time.
Although a close second was the original Megatron gun. That thing was pretty bad-ass.
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Oh boy...It looks like again they made the characters so silverish in color that its hard to tell them apart...Here's the pic of Jetfire fighting Skorponok in Egypt from the trailer. You can see the landing gear he uses as a cane in his hand.
Jetfire in the comics (which was based on the animation model) and Skyfire in the cartoon WERE modified VF1S's because the head was altered, the big shoulder-pod things were removed and some other changes made.
the TOY on the other hand, was indeed an unmodified Valkyrie VF1S toy, because Hasbro bought the toy and made it part of the Transformers line, which was a melange of several Japanese toylines, including the Microman/Microchange line, the Diaclone line, 2 of the 'Dorvack' line (Whirl and Roadbuster) and from the 'Armoured Insect Battalion Beetras' line, which became the Deluxe Insecticons.
I was under the impression that Jetfire was never released in the Japanese line, along with certain other characters from ours, because the molds were owned by Takara's competitor (Takatoku) and they couldn't legally produce the figures for the Japanese series. That led in part to Jetfire being called Skyfire in the animated series, and the series bible saying he shouldn't be used except on rare occasions. A toy-accurate character model did make a very brief appearance in the Marvel comic as a background character, and in the Jetfire toy commercial.
Takakotu designed the toys for Macross and Diaclone, but their designs were purchased by Bandai in 1984 after bankruptcy. Bandai then leased some of the designs to Hasbro as Series 2 Transformers, including Jetfire, Roadbuster, Whirl, and the Deluxe Insecticons. Legally Bandai still owns the molds, so it's unlikely that they could be used again by Hasbro since the former has grown into a mainstream competitor.
Takakotu designed the toys for Macross and Diaclone, but their designs were purchased by Bandai in 1984 after bankruptcy. Bandai then leased some of the designs to Hasbro as Series 2 Transformers, including Jetfire, Roadbuster, Whirl, and the Deluxe Insecticons. Legally Bandai still owns the molds, so it's unlikely that they could be used again by Hasbro since the former has grown into a mainstream competitor.
I mistyped. It should have read Skyfire was a redesigned Veritech.
Robots can grow old?Here's the pic of Jetfire fighting Skorponok in Egypt from the trailer. You can see the landing gear he uses as a cane in his hand.
Why not? Don't all machines eventually get old? Parts wear out, higher amounts of maintenance are required etc. Transformers are machines (sentient sure, but still mechanical) so it stands to reason they do get old, just at a much different rate than humans (or most human machines).Robots can grow old?
The original Transformers series introduced the concept of Transformers "getting old" in a few ways. One involved A3, a young rebel on Cybertron who eventually became Alpha Trion, complete with a deeper, "older" voice and a "beard" that grew over the millions of years. Kup was also an example of an "older" Transformer complete with lines that defined age on his face design. The comic books had a character named Xaaron who was so old and hadn't transformed in so long it was painful for him to do so.
So...yeah, they can.
And just to confuse things further, as previously mentioned, in the comics they used the look of Skyfire but called him Jetfire.
Robots can grow old?Here's the pic of Jetfire fighting Skorponok in Egypt from the trailer. You can see the landing gear he uses as a cane in his hand.
Metal fatigue.
I don't think the cane is just from "age" though in this case, he's also been damaged IIRC.
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