^ And McCoy's 2364 death was in contradiction with many, many novels where he pops up alive and well as soon as it was published.
Sci and Steve Mollmann are correct: Crucible: McCoy had Bones dying in 2364, very shortly after "Encounter at Farpoint." McCoy has appeared in dozens of stories that take place after 2364, including TNG: Crossover by Michael Jan Friedman, TNG: The Modala Imperative by Peter David & Pablo Marcos (okay, a comic book, but I always liked it), TNG: Double Helix: Red Sector by Diane Carey, "Mirror Eyes" by Heather Jarman & Jeffrey Lang in Tales of the Dominion War, "Safe Harbors" by Howard Weinstein in TotDW, The Brave and the Bold Book 2 by Keith R.A. DeCandido (who???), SCE: Interphase Book 2 by Dayton Ward & Kevin Dilmore, SCE: Ghost by Ilsa J. Bick, SCE: The Future Begins by Steve Mollmann & Michael Schuster, the various "Shatnerverse" novels by William Shatner and Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens, and some others I'm forgetting (including some Strange New Worlds tales).Hey, just got one question from ASD. I'm about 3/4 done now but noticed at one point there was reference to McCoy still being alive. Now, I know that it has been stated that Crucible takes place outside the continuity of many other prior novels, however, I had kind of assumed that it might be incorporated into the present series of novels. In the first Crucible book, McCoy died at home in the end. I had thought that this was sometime earlier in the 24th century than 2381, but perhaps someone could correct me if I'm wrong. If I am correct about those dates, why was it decided the events of Crucible wouldn't be incorporated in with the other current novel series? Are there some other significant discrepencies that can't easily be resolved? I wouldn't be surprised if he was present in the recent Vulcan/Romulan/Reman trilogy Thanks.
Just for the record, there is really no objective reason to put off buying/reading any of the "Cleaning Up Mack's Mess" books until the release of any other book. Even though they all tie together, all four books do stand perfectly well on their own.You know, I was going to wait on this until Losing the Peace came out, but then I read at Memory Beta that the Venture has a reference in this one. Oh well; it's only gasoline and an ever increasing California state sales tax.
Wow, that old guy sure gets around!Sci and Steve Mollmann are correct: Crucible: McCoy had Bones dying in 2364, very shortly after "Encounter at Farpoint." McCoy has appeared in dozens of stories that take place after 2364, including TNG: Crossover by Michael Jan Friedman, TNG: The Modala Imperative by Peter David & Pablo Marcos (okay, a comic book, but I always liked it), TNG: Double Helix: Red Sector by Diane Carey, "Mirror Eyes" by Heather Jarman & Jeffrey Lang in Tales of the Dominion War, "Safe Harbors" by Howard Weinstein in TotDW, The Brave and the Bold Book 2 by Keith R.A. DeCandido (who???), SCE: Interphase Book 2 by Dayton Ward & Kevin Dilmore, SCE: Ghost by Ilsa J. Bick, SCE: The Future Begins by Steve Mollmann & Michael Schuster, the various "Shatnerverse" novels by William Shatner and Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens, and some others I'm forgetting (including some Strange New Worlds tales).Hey, just got one question from ASD. I'm about 3/4 done now but noticed at one point there was reference to McCoy still being alive. Now, I know that it has been stated that Crucible takes place outside the continuity of many other prior novels, however, I had kind of assumed that it might be incorporated into the present series of novels. In the first Crucible book, McCoy died at home in the end. I had thought that this was sometime earlier in the 24th century than 2381, but perhaps someone could correct me if I'm wrong. If I am correct about those dates, why was it decided the events of Crucible wouldn't be incorporated in with the other current novel series? Are there some other significant discrepencies that can't easily be resolved? I wouldn't be surprised if he was present in the recent Vulcan/Romulan/Reman trilogy Thanks.
(Amusingly, he does not appear in the Vulcan's Soul trilogy....)
Annotations. And check out the acknowledgments pages in ASD (381-383), where KRAD's already offered up a lot of that sort of information.KRAD, I don't imagine you made any list of references this time around as you had up on your site for Articles of the Federation (I can't remember the name for these lists)? I found that extremely useful and interesting.
I regret it that SCE won`t be continued
Miral's also listed in that confirmed casualty report as Miral Paris.I couldn`t find any mentioning of Miral, which is at least something.
The creation of the Typhon Pact makes a lot of sense in a time when the Federation, the Klingons and so many other powers and civilizations are struggling with the aftermath of the devastating Borg attack. The foundation of the Typhon Pact certainly hasn`t the idealistic background of the Federation and Starfleet.
The Typhon Pact was founded by six powers that have historically had hostile or prickly relations with the Federation and occasionally with each other. In the wake of a threat from a hostile power, the Borg
The Typhon Pact was founded by six powers that have historically had hostile or prickly relations with the Federation and occasionally with each other. In the wake of a threat from a hostile power, the Borg
Borg? I thought it was the Federation that was considered the hostile power by the various Typhon Pact members, and so they formed the Pact with the purpose of combating that power.
The Federation, on the other hand, was formed by various states which had *already* fought a devastating war with the Romulans (okay, it was mostly Earth, but the other powers were affected as well) and thus joined up to defend themselves against *future* attacks - i.e. the Federation members were not planning further attacks against the Romulans...
I don't think that holds up to the evidence we've seen on Enterprise. Earth and Vulcan were uncomfortable allies. The Vulcans and Andorians had a long-running conflict, but as soon as Earth learned about it, they did their best to maintain peaceful relations with the Andorian Empire. As for the Tellarites, they came across as a fairly minor power whose conflicts never went beyond minor border skirmishes. And it was the initial efforts to create a more lasting peace among these nations that inspired the Romulans to interfere, not the other way around.Is that necessarily so? Let's compare. The Federation was founded by four powers that had historically had hostile or prickly relations with each other and with their neighbors. In response to a threat from a hostile power, the Romulans, they formed a coalition out of the belief that cooperation would benefit them more than conflict.
See, I'm not sure that the Typhon Pact was a reaction to the Borg, per se, as much as a reaction to the potential power vacuum the Borg left in the wake of the invasion. And the fact that the first acts of at least two Pact members, once they thought they had this alliance at their backs, was to go on the offensive against their old enemies, tends to make me far less charitable than Pran is toward the Pact and their motivations.The Typhon Pact was founded by six powers that have historically had hostile or prickly relations with the Federation and occasionally with each other. In the wake of a threat from a hostile power, the Borg, they formed a coalition out of the belief that cooperation would benefit them more than conflict. They begin with much mutual suspicion and xenophobia, but... well, who knows?
The one thing we know for sure about the Typhon Pact at this point is that it's a rival power. That's not necessarily the same thing as an enemy power. The Pact nations want to counter the UFP's power, but they want to do so by providing an alternative, by creating a nation that's equal or superior in strength, resources, and influence. It's not just about one side shooting at the other side. There's been enough of that already in recent Trek lit.
You are remembering the scene where the Tholian Ambassador describes their reasons for founding the Pact through conflict-colored glasses.
The one thing we know for sure about the Typhon Pact at this point is that it's a rival power. That's not necessarily the same thing as an enemy power.
You are remembering the scene where the Tholian Ambassador describes their reasons for founding the Pact through conflict-colored glasses.
Perhaps. But I consider that much safer than viewing it through *rose*-colored glasses. Makes it easier to prepare for the inevitable attack. Especially in such a dangerous universe.
The one thing we know for sure about the Typhon Pact at this point is that it's a rival power. That's not necessarily the same thing as an enemy power.
I'm still not convinced there is a difference. Explain to me why there should be.
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