Britain's Underage Pregnancy Problems.

[captcalhoun]

the problems of Britain today stem largely from 18 years of Tory misrule not 12 years of Labour. the Tories f***ed over the NUM and closed pits and ruined communities, the Tories f***ed over the schools, the Tories f***ed over the NHS and the Tories encouraged the Greed is Good grab-everything-you-can capitalist culture which led to the economy heading down the pan.

and Dave Cameron is as big a Thatcherite Conservative as anyone in her cabinet was in the 80s.

i wouldn't trust him to run a kiddies tea-party never mind a country.

 

[Colonel Green]

It's now become apparent that the 13 year old sprog might not have fathered the child at all. Half the local male youth have apparantly signed sworn statements saying that 9 months ago, they were all shagging the slag mother.

I think that just makes the whole thing worse.

The breakdown of society in the UK has only really became obvious with the rise of the loony left and 10 years of Socialist rule.

If America doesn't vote Obama out of office very quickly, the same things will happen there. The left wing is insidious. Once they get a grip on society and government, you never get rid of them. The UK and US are on course for being two nations dependent on state handouts, where society cohesion and the will to work has been lost.

Labour? Socialist? LOL!

How do you reconcile your argument the fact that countries like Germany and Canada, which lean further to the left than the US or UK, have far lower rates of teen pregnancy and delinquency?

 

[cultcross]

And just who or what are all these "manly men" supposed to do what guys do with? Kumquats?

Probably more like gallons instead of quarts.

It's now become apparent that the 13 year old sprog might not have fathered the child at all. Half the local male youth have apparantly signed sworn statements saying that 9 months ago, they were all shagging the slag mother.

I think that just makes the whole thing worse.

The breakdown of society in the UK has only really became obvious with the rise of the loony left and 10 years of Socialist rule.

If America doesn't vote Obama out of office very quickly, the same things will happen there. The left wing is insidious. Once they get a grip on society and government, you never get rid of them. The UK and US are on course for being two nations dependent on state handouts, where society cohesion and the will to work has been lost.

Labour? Socialist? LOL!

How do you reconcile your argument the fact that countries like Germany and Canada, which lean further to the left than the US or UK, have far lower rates of teen pregnancy and delinquency?

It can't be reconciled with even the slightest look at reality. The most right-wing Western industrialised nation, the US, also has the highest teenage pregnancy rate, more than double the next worst. The more liberal, left-leaning countries, such as Canada, have the lower rates.
In other words, the trend is the exact opposite of what he implies.

 

[ITL]

It's now become apparent that the 13 year old sprog might not have fathered the child at all. Half the local male youth have apparantly signed sworn statements saying that 9 months ago, they were all shagging the slag mother.

I think that just makes the whole thing worse.

The breakdown of society in the UK has only really became obvious with the rise of the loony left and 10 years of Socialist rule.

If America doesn't vote Obama out of office very quickly, the same things will happen there. The left wing is insidious. Once they get a grip on society and government, you never get rid of them. The UK and US are on course for being two nations dependent on state handouts, where society cohesion and the will to work has been lost.

You think New Labour are Socialist?

 

[Bob The Skutter]

It's now become apparent that the 13 year old sprog might not have fathered the child at all. Half the local male youth have apparantly signed sworn statements saying that 9 months ago, they were all shagging the slag mother.

I think that just makes the whole thing worse.

The breakdown of society in the UK has only really became obvious with the rise of the loony left and 10 years of Socialist rule.

If America doesn't vote Obama out of office very quickly, the same things will happen there. The left wing is insidious. Once they get a grip on society and government, you never get rid of them. The UK and US are on course for being two nations dependent on state handouts, where society cohesion and the will to work has been lost.

Labour? Socialist? LOL!

How do you reconcile your argument the fact that countries like Germany and Canada, which lean further to the left than the US or UK, have far lower rates of teen pregnancy and delinquency?

It can't be reconciled with even the slightest look at reality. The most right-wing Western industrialised nation, the US, also has the highest teenage pregnancy rate, more than double the next worst. The more liberal, left-leaning countries, such as Canada, have the lower rates.
In other words, the trend is the exact opposite of what he implies.

Pft! Don't try and confuse things with logic and facts there's no place for them here.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

It's now become apparent that the 13 year old sprog might not have fathered the child at all. Half the local male youth have apparantly signed sworn statements saying that 9 months ago, they were all shagging the slag mother.

I think that just makes the whole thing worse.

The breakdown of society in the UK has only really became obvious with the rise of the loony left and 10 years of Socialist rule.

If America doesn't vote Obama out of office very quickly, the same things will happen there. The left wing is insidious. Once they get a grip on society and government, you never get rid of them. The UK and US are on course for being two nations dependent on state handouts, where society cohesion and the will to work has been lost.

You think New Labour are Socialist?

Come on, by American standards even our rightest of right politicians are positively communist.

 

[ITL]

Come on, by American standards even our rightest of right politicians are positively communist.

Which is why we must point these things out!

 

[cultcross]

Come on, by American standards even our rightest of right politicians are positively communist.

David Cameron, if he ran for President, would have attack ads calling him a dirty liberal for supporting universal healthcare and the welfare state.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

Come on, by American standards even our rightest of right politicians are positively communist.

David Cameron, if he ran for President, would have attack ads calling him a dirty liberal for supporting universal healthcare and the welfare state.

David Cameron Dirty Liberal, he'll take your money and fund socialist programs, so what would Gordon Brown be? Dirty fascist? Oh wait, that's seems to be true half the time anyway.

 

[Rii]

I mean look at this debacle where it was initially believed that a 13 year old boy fathered an infant!

Not nearly so much of a debacle as would've occurred if he'd fathered an adult.

 

[Starkers]

the problems of Britain today stem largely from 18 years of Tory misrule not 12 years of Labour. the Tories f***ed over the NUM and closed pits and ruined communities, the Tories f***ed over the schools, the Tories f***ed over the NHS and the Tories encouraged the Greed is Good grab-everything-you-can capitalist culture which led to the economy heading down the pan.

and Dave Cameron is as big a Thatcherite Conservative as anyone in her cabinet was in the 80s.

i wouldn't trust him to run a kiddies tea-party never mind a country.

And 12 years of Labour have made all these issues sooooo much better? Seriously when the Tories left office the economy was doing brilliantly, the same cannot be true now after Gordon Brown sold the gold, plundered the pensions etc (and has all that money made education, Health etc that much better?)

BTW the Tories didn't f*ck the NUM, that was Scargill. If he'd called for a democratic ballot and won it he'd have taken Thatcher down (and God knows what we'd be like as a country now!) But he was too arrogant to do it. Seriously CC, look at what the UK was like before Thatcher came in--it wasn't a pretty sight.

As for the OP, I think the scariest thing about it is that the 13 year old boy looks all of 10?

I don't think sex education is at fault. Our kids are sexualised from an early age by TV/music etc (and we know where most of it has come from) better those chldren are introduced to the concept of contraception than left to their own devices, or worse told to abstain.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

the problems of Britain today stem largely from 18 years of Tory misrule not 12 years of Labour. the Tories f***ed over the NUM and closed pits and ruined communities, the Tories f***ed over the schools, the Tories f***ed over the NHS and the Tories encouraged the Greed is Good grab-everything-you-can capitalist culture which led to the economy heading down the pan.

and Dave Cameron is as big a Thatcherite Conservative as anyone in her cabinet was in the 80s.

i wouldn't trust him to run a kiddies tea-party never mind a country.

And 12 years of Labour have made all these issues sooooo much better? Seriously when the Tories left office the economy was doing brilliantly, the same cannot be true now after Gordon Brown sold the gold, plundered the pensions etc (and has all that money made education, Health etc that much better?)

BTW the Tories didn't f*ck the NUM, that was Scargill. If he'd called for a democratic ballot and won it he'd have taken Thatcher down (and God knows what we'd be like as a country now!) But he was too arrogant to do it. Seriously CC, look at what the UK was like before Thatcher came in--it wasn't a pretty sight.

As for the OP, I think the scariest thing about it is that the 13 year old boy looks all of 10?

I don't think sex education is at fault. Our kids are sexualised from an early age by TV/music etc (and we know where most of it has come from) better those chldren are introduced to the concept of contraception than left to their own devices, or worse told to abstain.

I can't disagree with you, as much as I dislike Thatcher and the Tories. Certain things did need righting, Thatcherites went too far though in my opinion. The economy had began to climb and the Labour government did continue the trend for a long time. Problem is they kept debt of the books, went with PFI to increase debt without having to put it on the books at all, and fucked up a lot of other things after getting over confident.

Sex education needs to be done, and done properly. Get rid of these stupid "In the context of a loving relationship" clauses a lot of schools have regarding sex education.

 

[Starkers]

Yeah the Tories did go too far in the 80s, even I'd admit that but radical change was needed. Trouble was Thatcher wanted to give people freedom, however she didn't really plan for them to use that freedom racking up huge debts (as Andrew Marr says, that's the trouble with freedom, people don't do what you want em to!)

If (hopefully when) Cameron gets in, its unlikely we'll get anything so radical again (in part because we don't really need it) but people have to accept that either taxes will rise a lot, or we need to cut back. Tough choice whichever way it goes really.

BTW I don't think there's anything wrong with suggesting that sex should be within the context of a loveing relationship so long as you don't gloss over the fact that often it isn't!

 

[Count Zero]

So, at what age and in what way do kids receive sex education in Britain?

 

[cultcross]

So, at what age and in what way do kids receive sex education in Britain?

Varies quite enormously, but my experience was: first discussed formally in year 7 (11/12 yrs old) with a joint lesson then a gender-specific lesson. Although it was mostly a 'puberty' lesson than a 'sex' one. They did show the graphic birthing video though to put the girls off!
About 2 years later we did a proper condoms/spermicide/KY-is-not-a-contraceptive/a-crisp-packet-is-not-a-condom lesson involvign the old favourite putting condoms on polystyrene penises.

Then a year later we did another slightly more explicit "Q&A" style sex ed lesson, where we anonymously submitted written questions which our teacher answered.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

Yeah the Tories did go too far in the 80s, even I'd admit that but radical change was needed. Trouble was Thatcher wanted to give people freedom, however she didn't really plan for them to use that freedom racking up huge debts (as Andrew Marr says, that's the trouble with freedom, people don't do what you want em to!)

If (hopefully when) Cameron gets in, its unlikely we'll get anything so radical again (in part because we don't really need it) but people have to accept that either taxes will rise a lot, or we need to cut back. Tough choice whichever way it goes really.

BTW I don't think there's anything wrong with suggesting that sex should be within the context of a loveing relationship so long as you don't gloss over the fact that often it isn't!

Personally, I wouldn't trust Cameron in government, I don't know if Lib Dems could handle it, but Labour need kicking out, or a hung parliament to make them all have to fight to make things happen and show there's good reason for it.

I don't think there's anything wrong with suggesting that either, but a lot of things get glossed over if you're just telling kids the sex in the context of marriage/long term relationships.

Count Zero If I remember correctly they begin around 11, but that's mostly the biological/going through puberty type of lessons. Then a couple of years later actual sex education starts.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

So, at what age and in what way do kids receive sex education in Britain?

Varies quite enormously, but my experience was: first discussed formally in year 7 (11/12 yrs old) with a joint lesson then a gender-specific lesson. Although it was mostly a 'puberty' lesson than a 'sex' one. They did show the graphic birthing video though to put the girls off!
About 2 years later we did a proper condoms/spermicide/KY-is-not-a-contraceptive/a-crisp-packet-is-not-a-condom lesson involvign the old favourite putting condoms on polystyrene penises.

Then a year later we did another slightly more explicit "Q&A" style sex ed lesson, where we anonymously submitted written questions which our teacher answered.

Ha, I remember those lessons. No one else would ask any questions, so the teacher made me ask them because "You're the only one as dirty minded as me" he said.

 

[cultcross]

So, at what age and in what way do kids receive sex education in Britain?

Varies quite enormously, but my experience was: first discussed formally in year 7 (11/12 yrs old) with a joint lesson then a gender-specific lesson. Although it was mostly a 'puberty' lesson than a 'sex' one. They did show the graphic birthing video though to put the girls off!
About 2 years later we did a proper condoms/spermicide/KY-is-not-a-contraceptive/a-crisp-packet-is-not-a-condom lesson involvign the old favourite putting condoms on polystyrene penises.

Then a year later we did another slightly more explicit "Q&A" style sex ed lesson, where we anonymously submitted written questions which our teacher answered.

Ha, I remember those lessons. No one else would ask any questions, so the teacher made me ask them because "You're the only one as dirty minded as me" he said.

I went to an all-boys school, so the poor female teacher got inundated with 'whats the most embarrassing question we can ask' attempts in the 'anonymous questions' pot.
She spent a good 20 minutes talking about multiple orgasms.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

Varies quite enormously, but my experience was: first discussed formally in year 7 (11/12 yrs old) with a joint lesson then a gender-specific lesson. Although it was mostly a 'puberty' lesson than a 'sex' one. They did show the graphic birthing video though to put the girls off!
About 2 years later we did a proper condoms/spermicide/KY-is-not-a-contraceptive/a-crisp-packet-is-not-a-condom lesson involvign the old favourite putting condoms on polystyrene penises.

Then a year later we did another slightly more explicit "Q&A" style sex ed lesson, where we anonymously submitted written questions which our teacher answered.

Ha, I remember those lessons. No one else would ask any questions, so the teacher made me ask them because "You're the only one as dirty minded as me" he said.

I went to an all-boys school, so the poor female teacher got inundated with 'whats the most embarrassing question we can ask' attempts in the 'anonymous questions' pot.
She spent a good 20 minutes talking about multiple orgasms.

There was about 4 girls in my class at school, and I got to ask their questions too. Everyone else was too embarrassed to ask anything He told me to think of some girls questions too, while all the guys laughed.

 

[Gertch]

I went to an all-boys school, so the poor female teacher got inundated with 'whats the most embarrassing question we can ask' attempts in the 'anonymous questions' pot.
She spent a good 20 minutes talking about multiple orgasms.

What? Wait, John Cleese showed us that you guys get an actual demonstration by the teacher. Crap, all these years I thought I was missing out...