But if memory serves, Janeway orders the ship through and it's upto Seven to save their skins.
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But if memory serves, Janeway orders the ship through and it's upto Seven to save their skins.
But if memory serves, Janeway orders the ship through and it's upto Seven to save their skins.
Thats was what I was pointing out. That Janeway still flew into it was a stuipid idea.
Exactly! Funny thing, when decisions like that are made by Kirk or Picard it's "Oh, what an inspiring leader." but when it's Janeway it's "Who does she think she is? What hubris!"
So what's up with that?
Exactly! Funny thing, when decisions like that are made by Kirk or Picard it's "Oh, what an inspiring leader." but when it's Janeway it's "Who does she think she is? What hubris!"
So what's up with that?
Well I don't think Kirk or Picard wouldn't say it in ear shot of a Q who might decide that this chase needs more Borg Cubes because of that.
One could make the argument that Picard had WAY more hubris than anybody else ever. What with the way he stood up to Q and yelled at him and ordered him around on a regular basis, as if he actually had any means by which to stop Q from doing anything or make Q do anything.
Indeed! Picard's entire attitude towards Q, which was admittedly what Q seemed to love about him, was one of superiority. To yell at and order around a demi-god in the way Picard always did, took some massive balls
. I would say Picard had even bigger balls than Stephen Colbert...if that's even possible...
But if memory serves, Janeway orders the ship through and it's upto Seven to save their skins.
Thats was what I was pointing out. That Janeway still flew into it was a stuipid idea.
That might be, but she was persuaded - as was the rest of the crew - by the Barclay hologram that it was indeed a safe way home. That Seven wasn't as comfortable as the rest I believe was attributed to her not actually wanting to return.
She didn't just decide to fly into a star for the hell of it. That said it isn't one of my favourite episodes.
It's not from Voyager? really?
It sounds a bit like the Barcley episode where some Ferangi high jack the monthly data stream with a Holo-Barcley contained, make adjustments to it and he tries and sweet talks the crew into linking two red giants they can fold space and get from star A too star B really quickly! I think it's Inside Man!
And it really dosen't help Janeway's or the rest of the crew for that matter's case when Admiral Paris pretty much says there no way they'd be stupid enough to fly into it.
Wait.. there was an episode where they planned to fly into a star?
But if memory serves, Janeway orders the ship through and it's upto Seven to save their skins.
Thats was what I was pointing out. That Janeway still flew into it was a stuipid idea.
That might be, but she was persuaded - as was the rest of the crew - by the Barclay hologram that it was indeed a safe way home. That Seven wasn't as comfortable as the rest I believe was attributed to her not actually wanting to return.
She didn't just decide to fly into a star for the hell of it. That said it isn't one of my favourite episodes.
Still you think Janeway would double check these things before agreeing to do it, I mean flying in the pretty convenient "wormhole" in Bliss at least had mental manipulation as the reason, but in this epsiode its like the writers decidied the best way for it to work was to make everyone except Seven and The Doctor temporarily brain dead.
And Sisko punched him. Of the three captains, Janeway actually seemed to have the best relationship with the Q (though that's not saying much).
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Good point but both of you are forgeting one thing Janeway wasn't dealing with John de Lancie Q who pretty much only took it to annoying our heros at thetime of the "We've beat the Borg beforeline". She was dealing with that Q's son which John de Lancie Q considered out of control. So that might influence the situation a bit.
Picard: "Q...end this."
Q: "Moi? What makes you think I'm either inclined or capable to terminate this encounter?"
Picard: "If we all die here, now, you will not be able to gloat. You wanted to frighten us. We're frightened. You wanted to show us we were inadequate. For the moment, I grant that. You wanted me to say 'I need you.'? I NEED you!"
Q: "That was a difficult admission. Another man would have been humiliated to say those words. Another man would have rather died than ask for help."
Picard: "I understand what you've done here, Q, but I think the lesson could've been learned without the loss of 18 members of my crew."
Q: "If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires, both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid."
Yeah. We've done "Beg Q to be saved from the Borg" before; I'd have been annoyed if Voyager had just rehashed "Q Who". The episode made it's point, but once is enough for that kind of abasement.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Actually she dealt with John DeLancie's Q in the epsiodes "Death Wish" and "The Q and the Gray". At the end of the second episode Q asked her to be godmother to his son which is why he dropped him off with her in the episode you're thinking of.
...when decisions like that are made by Kirk or Picard it's "Oh, what an inspiring leader." but when it's Janeway it's "Who does she think she is? What hubris!"
So what's up with that?
I don't think thats the case. A stupid idea is a stupid idea no matter the gender of the person, and I'm sure Kirk and Picard have been called on them too. In fact, wasn't that part of the purpose of the Destiny tril? Picard is just a person with the weaknesses of everyone else, male or female.
But that doesn't make a dumb decision less annoying.
...when decisions like that are made by Kirk or Picard it's "Oh, what an inspiring leader." but when it's Janeway it's "Who does she think she is? What hubris!"
So what's up with that?
I don't think thats the case. A stupid idea is a stupid idea no matter the gender of the person, and I'm sure Kirk and Picard have been called on them too. In fact, wasn't that part of the purpose of the Destiny tril? Picard is just a person with the weaknesses of everyone else, male or female.
But that doesn't make a dumb decision less annoying.
I didn't read Destiny and if Kirk and Picard are getting called for stupid decisions it hasn't been in any of the threads I've seen around here lately.
I'm glad.
Try dangling a carrot? No. I'm a paying costumer. Give me what I want or I won't give you a dime. I bought and read all of the Voyager Relaunch books because I wanted to see what happened to the crew once they got home. Those books were mediocre at best. Then I heard Peter David's book Before Dishonor was due out and featured a picture of Seven of Nine on the cover. I almost bought that book, but heard that Janeway died. So I held off. I figured they would probably bring her back at some point, but I wanted to be sure before I even bothered to take a look.
Now I hear the death is permanent. I was looking forward to Full Circle, now not so much. Too bad. I was always a Star Trek fan, but not so much a die hard one. My love of Voyager brought me to the boards and I am now a regular poster over at ST.com. I had considered conventions and would like to read various other Star Trek books I heard about, amoung them the String Theory books. I'm a J/Cer and the whole C/7 thing in Endgame was a huge disappointment. Golden at least fixed that.
Now that Janeway will be gone, I see no reason to waste anymore time or money on a franchise that has does nothing but disappoint me. But I really don't think they wanted someone like me for a fan in the first place anyway. TOS and TNG were also very good series. I really enjoyed them, but never to the extent I loved Voyager. I never really could get into DS9, but I may give that a chance. I won't be buying any DVDs anytime soon. I'll just wait and see if the Sci Fi channel picks it up. There's no reason for me to invest any of my money in a franchise that doesn't even want me as a customer. I can take a hint.
Now I hear the death is permanent. I was looking forward to Full Circle, now not so much. Too bad. I was always a Star Trek fan, but not so much a die hard one. My love of Voyager brought me to the boards and I am now a regular poster over at ST.com. I had considered conventions and would like to read various other Star Trek books I heard about, amoung them the String Theory books. I'm a J/Cer and the whole C/7 thing in Endgame was a huge disappointment. Golden at least fixed that.
Now that Janeway will be gone, I see no reason to waste anymore time or money on a franchise that has does nothing but disappoint me. But I really don't think they wanted someone like me for a fan in the first place anyway. TOS and TNG were also very good series. I really enjoyed them, but never to the extent I loved Voyager. I never really could get into DS9, but I may give that a chance. I won't be buying any DVDs anytime soon. I'll just wait and see if the Sci Fi channel picks it up. There's no reason for me to invest any of my money in a franchise that doesn't even want me as a customer. I can take a hint.
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