A sequel to Section 31?

[shanejayell]

After recently rereading Abyss and Rogue, it occured to me it might be interestesting to see a sequel series of books. Since the first four books came out there's been several spinoffs that could feature Section 31:

Enterprise
Vanguard
New Frontier
SCE
Klingon Empire/IKS Gorkon

And probably other series I can't think of. Any chance of a second flight of books on Section 31?

 

[Turbo]

Marco said in Voyages of Imagination that a second series of books was considered, but he didn't want to run the concept into the ground.

Of course, 31 is playing a role in the mainstream books - they've appeared in both the Enterprise novels and the A Time To series.

 

[shanejayell]

I liked the 'A Time To...' appearances. I just want more! *lol*

 

[Marie1]

Is there still Section 31? I thought I read somewhere that it was gone? Maybe not...

 

[shanejayell]

Is there still Section 31? I thought I read somewhere that it was gone? Maybe not...

There was a 'flash forward' in Enterprise that revealed Section 31 would be destroyed, but it hasn't happened yet in the books.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

After recently rereading Abyss and Rogue, it occured to me it might be interestesting to see a sequel series of books. Since the first four books came out there's been several spinoffs that could feature Section 31:

Enterprise

Read The Good That Men Do.

Vanguard

Unnecessary; T'Prynn would probably give 31 nightmares.

SCE

I always imagined that the encounters between the da Vinci and 31 would be like those episodes of M*A*S*H with Colonel Flagg. Tev would have been a great foil for that; he's such a humorless prick.

I can't think of. Any chance of a second flight of books on Section 31?

At the time the books came out, I thought one of the great failures of the Section 31 quartet was that none of the books showed 31 being in the right.

Now, we live in a post-9/11 world, and terms like "Extraordinary Rendition," "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques," and "Waterboarding" have entered our daily lexicon. These are all things that are part and parcel of the Section 31 world, and I'm not sure that I would welcome a Star Trek novel that justified evil.

 

[BrotherBenny]

I think Section 31 can be right when they are really trying to prevent threats, like a super-covert branch of Starfleet Intelligence. It is only when they branch out that things go badly. For example, Tezwa, the Ba'ku, Ethan Locken, etc. When they try to be proactive, it goes wrong. They need someone like Bashir in the upper echelons, someone to act as a conscience.

 

[MiroslavSFCenter]

Now, we live in a post-9/11 world, and terms like "Extraordinary Rendition," "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques," and "Waterboarding" have entered our daily lexicon. These are all things that are part and parcel of the Section 31 world, and I'm not sure that I would welcome a Star Trek novel that justified evil.

Oh, boy, some ppl obviously can't separate fiction and reality...... BTW. enhanced tech aren't evil, they are proper means to stop forces of evil.

I would be very pleased if someone wrote Section 31 novel, or even make Section 31 live series based on the 24/Jack Bauer. It would be nice to see how Jack would interrogate some Romulan terorists.

"Put the phaser down! Where is the torpedo? I'm gonna cut your pointed ear. Damnit!"

So, I recommend everyone to visit: http://malf.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_24

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/malf/images/6/65/JackBauer.jpg

 

[William Leisner]

I've never really liked the automatic "Section 31 = EVIL" equation, and I do think that it should be possible to have a Section 31 story that paints them in shades of gray. Dark shades, certainly, but still not pure black.

 

[MiroslavSFCenter]

I've never really liked the automatic "Section 31 = EVIL" equation, and I do think that it should be possible to have a Section 31 story that paints them in shades of gray. Dark shades, certainly, but still not pure black.

Excatly, Section 31 is very important organization for Earth/Federation safety trought the Star Trek history. It is wrong to treat them like evil, beacuse S31 doing what every modern intelligence agency do in order to defend country from external and internal threats.

And that is another plus for the DS9 (and ENT), beacuse they are realistic, unlike Picard "we surrender" TNG (which I also like very much, but some things need to be clarified).

 

[Jean-Luc Picard]

I'd love to see a Titan Section 31 book. And once I finally get around to reading the Vanguard series, I'm sure it'd be pretty cool to see them there too.

 

[William Leisner]

I've never really liked the automatic "Section 31 = EVIL" equation, and I do think that it should be possible to have a Section 31 story that paints them in shades of gray. Dark shades, certainly, but still not pure black.

Excatly, Section 31 is very important organization for Earth/Federation safety trought the Star Trek history.

Well, no, I didn't say that.

 

[Mach5]

I've never really liked the automatic "Section 31 = EVIL" equation, and I do think that it should be possible to have a Section 31 story that paints them in shades of gray. Dark shades, certainly, but still not pure black.

Exactly, Section 31 is very important organization for Earth/Federation safety throughout the Star Trek history.

Well, no, I didn't say that.

So you don't like the 'S31- the good guys' idea at all? Because I have to agree with Miroslav on this, it would be naive to believe that Federation would be a major player in the quadrant without it's equivalent to the Tal shiar and/or Obsidian order.
I personally like how Section 31 is depicted is ENT relaunch novels, they are painted gray, but undoubtedly work for the benefit of the Coalition (so far).

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Section 31's corruption is inevitable. They can never be the good guys. Their very existence as an organization which has absolutely NO accountability or oversight, can literally do whatever they want, when they want, to whomever they want, and which is perfectly willing to assassinate anyone who gets in their way...an organization like that cannot be good. Ever.

The kinds of things that a 'good' Section 31 would be doing? Protecting the Federation from threats? Shit, that's what STARFLEET is for!

 

[William Leisner]

I guess my passing reference to "shades of gray" wasn't clear enough.

"Section 31 = Good" is no less simplistic than "Section 31 = Evil". I'd like to see a Section 31 tale that moves beyond what we saw on TV, with black-leather-clad spooks hiding in shadows using all their willpower to keep from twirling their mustaches. But at the same time, Section 31 keeps to the shadows and is not acknowledged to exist for what I believe are some very good reasons.

Consider DS9's "In the Pale Moonlight." Sisko did bad things. Those bad things led to a good result. And at the end of the episode, he and the viewers are left to consider whether that makes the bad he did good, and we see that question eating him up inside. That's the kind of thing I'd love to see more of.

 

[JoeZhang]

I guess my passing reference to "shades of gray" wasn't clear enough.

"Section 31 = Good" is no less simplistic than "Section 31 = Evil". I'd like to see a Section 31 tale that moves beyond what we saw on TV, with black-leather-clad spooks hiding in shadows using all their willpower to keep from twirling their mustaches.

I was always disappointed with Section 31 in the series, especially those stupid uniforms. A novel of the sort you describe would be good - where there are no right answers just lesser evils.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Now, we live in a post-9/11 world, and terms like "Extraordinary Rendition," "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques," and "Waterboarding" have entered our daily lexicon. These are all things that are part and parcel of the Section 31 world, and I'm not sure that I would welcome a Star Trek novel that justified evil.

Oh, boy, some ppl obviously can't separate fiction and reality...... BTW. enhanced tech aren't evil, they are proper means to stop forces of evil.

If you're using a smiley to justify torture and the dehumanization of prisoners, you and I are so far apart morally and philosophically that there's no use in discussing the matter.

Torture is never justified. A society that can sacrifice its values in the name of a mythical security doesn't deserve to survive.

 

[Mach5]

Torture is never justified. A society that can sacrifice its values in the name of a mythical security doesn't deserve to survive.

You lecture a man about ethics and morale (by paraphrasing Ben Franklin if I'm not mistaken), yet you quote (someone who can be viewed as) a mass murderer in your sig...

 

[LightningStorm]

Let's shut the politics down here.

Keep it about the books, Trek, and Section 31.

Thank you

 

[Trent Roman]

Section 31's corruption is inevitable. They can never be the good guys. Their very existence as an organization which has absolutely NO accountability or oversight, can literally do whatever they want, when they want, to whomever they want, and which is perfectly willing to assassinate anyone who gets in their way...an organization like that cannot be good. Ever.

The kinds of things that a 'good' Section 31 would be doing? Protecting the Federation from threats? Shit, that's what STARFLEET is for!

QTF. Section 31 is rogue by it's very nature, at best amoral, and entirely ineffective besides (something 31's neocon fetishists seem to conveniently forget). They betray the Federation and its people in the most visceral sense with every unaccountable action they take.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman