FWIW Since neither the editor, nor the author of the past Relaunch books are involved with the new books, it's a bit unfair to have a bias against the new ones because of the lack of quality of the Relaunch books of the past.
Latecomer To This: JANEWAY DIED?!?
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FWIW Since neither the editor, nor the author of the past Relaunch books are involved with the new books, it's a bit unfair to have a bias against the new ones because of the lack of quality of the Relaunch books of the past.
Perhaps, but it doesn't change the fact that they already killed Janeway and are keeping her dead in these books, and that's the point we've been arguing over and over again - no Voyager books without Janeway.
@LightningStorm - maybe it would be possible to create books like this with other characters than Janeway, but wouldn't it make sense to use a character that is already established and loved by many potential buyers instead of inventing new ones without?
Actually that's has nothing to do with the part of Octavia's post I wanted to talk about. I quote:
Perhaps, but it doesn't change the fact that they already killed Janeway and are keeping her dead in these books, and that's the point we've been arguing over and over again - no Voyager books without Janeway.
What I tried to point out is that given the fact that it's a whole new team working on the new Voyager-Relaunch books it isn't really possible to draw any conclusions on the quality of said books based on the quality of the Voyager-Relaunch books of the past.
Of which there are still plenty to choose from. Including but not limited to: B'Elanna, Seven, Kira, Ezri, Deanna, Beverly, T'Pol, Hoshi, and Uhura... and that's just the females.
Which was my question. Is it Janeway specifically or is it the subgenre? Sounds like it is Janeway specifically.
RonG wrote:
"Disrespectful" isn't actually right since I didn't criticize, trash or ridicule Kirsten Beyer as a person or way of writing, skill or her ability to come up with good books. My comment could rather be stated as "honest" since I did ask why it is necessary that Janeway remains dead with all the affect it will have on many Voyager fans and the ardent Janeway fans in particular.
Thrawn wrote:
No, my puppy hasn't been killed off but my interest in Star Trek literature.
By the way, I didn't know that Thrawn was Kirsten Beyer's press agent and bodyguard.
elaithin wrote:
Well, I just thought that since she actually did write a post here, it would be possible to ask her a few questions.
Let me also once again declare that I have the highest respect for Kirsten Beyer as person, author and Star Trek fan and I haven't accused her of killing off Janeway either. What I do question is why Janeway's death will be permanent.
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I guess that you have a point there.
"Disrespectful" isn't actually right since I didn't criticize, trash or ridicule Kirsten Beyer as a person or way of writing, skill or her ability to come up with good books. My comment could rather be stated as "honest" since I did ask why it is necessary that Janeway remains dead with all the affect it will have on many Voyager fans and the ardent Janeway fans in particular.
Thrawn wrote:
No, my puppy hasn't been killed off but my interest in Star Trek literature.
By the way, I didn't know that Thrawn was Kirsten Beyer's press agent and bodyguard.
elaithin wrote:
Well, I just thought that since she actually did write a post here, it would be possible to ask her a few questions.
Let me also once again declare that I have the highest respect for Kirsten Beyer as person, author and Star Trek fan and I haven't accused her of killing off Janeway either. What I do question is why Janeway's death will be permanent.
Octavia wrote:
I guess that you have a point there.
Which was my question. Is it Janeway specifically or is it the subgenre? Sounds like it is Janeway specifically.
I'd say both as most of us, who have posted here about sci-fi romance have also said that we want Janeway to be part of these books. Otherwise we might as well continue reading books that doesn't include Star Trek.
Man, this is fascinating.
There are people who want an actual, published line of Star Trek romance novels starring Kathryn Janeway. Not anyone else will do - Janeway or bust.
I would never have in a million years thought that would be a remotely appealing idea to anyone at all.
I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything, either - I'm genuinely surprised.
I mean, I sort of think that's like people around when Pocket first started writing these things wanting stories about K/S, and there just being no way in hell licensing would let that happen. It's not at all in the spirit of the show, as far as I can tell, and I think CBS/Paramount has a pretty consistent policy of keeping the novels similar in tone to the shows.
But nonetheless, this is really interesting. What is it about this character that makes you all want an entire new subgenre of books devoted to nothing but romance of this one character, despite the fact that there weren't ever stories like that told about her on air? (And, hoping to stave off potential criticism, I'll note that this has nothing to do with me thinking Janeway is sexless or anything like that; I'd honestly have exactly the same reaction if anyone were pining for a series of sci-fi romances about any of the other captains, either.)
To me, it's like if people reacted to The Dark Knight by creating a subgenre of books about the Joker teaching high school. Completely incongruous.
(That said, I'd totally read this McCoy/Dax romance if that got written. That sounds like it'd be a hoot.)
There are people who want an actual, published line of Star Trek romance novels starring Kathryn Janeway. Not anyone else will do - Janeway or bust.
I would never have in a million years thought that would be a remotely appealing idea to anyone at all.
I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything, either - I'm genuinely surprised.
I mean, I sort of think that's like people around when Pocket first started writing these things wanting stories about K/S, and there just being no way in hell licensing would let that happen. It's not at all in the spirit of the show, as far as I can tell, and I think CBS/Paramount has a pretty consistent policy of keeping the novels similar in tone to the shows.
But nonetheless, this is really interesting. What is it about this character that makes you all want an entire new subgenre of books devoted to nothing but romance of this one character, despite the fact that there weren't ever stories like that told about her on air? (And, hoping to stave off potential criticism, I'll note that this has nothing to do with me thinking Janeway is sexless or anything like that; I'd honestly have exactly the same reaction if anyone were pining for a series of sci-fi romances about any of the other captains, either.)
To me, it's like if people reacted to The Dark Knight by creating a subgenre of books about the Joker teaching high school. Completely incongruous.
(That said, I'd totally read this McCoy/Dax romance if that got written. That sounds like it'd be a hoot.)
^Like they say - You learn something new every day. Lol.
I would be fine if there were no romance storyline around Janeway, but I would still want to read Voyager books with Kathryn E. Janeway in them. I simply want her to be alive. Period.
It is a shame that Voyager has become as insignificant part of TNG books, Voyager re-launch books being what they are, and on the top of that she's killed in a TNG book. Man; I am not feeling that at all. Therefore, I have wondered many times if Voyager should have remained in the DQ instead of returning at home. Now we have three relaunch book series in AQ and what was unique and special about Voyager is gone for good unless someone decides to violate Temporal Prime Directive or something.
I would be fine if there were no romance storyline around Janeway, but I would still want to read Voyager books with Kathryn E. Janeway in them. I simply want her to be alive. Period.
It is a shame that Voyager has become as insignificant part of TNG books, Voyager re-launch books being what they are, and on the top of that she's killed in a TNG book. Man; I am not feeling that at all. Therefore, I have wondered many times if Voyager should have remained in the DQ instead of returning at home. Now we have three relaunch book series in AQ and what was unique and special about Voyager is gone for good unless someone decides to violate Temporal Prime Directive or something.
It could be argued that the line, as a whole, has had problems dealing with Voyager. The stupendous suckitude of the 'four' VOY-R books, the brain damage and assorted sillyness of String Theory 3, and the butchering of Janeway in Before Dishonor, which is being perpetuated down the line--three different writers, three different editors--builds something like a critical mass of skepticism. I'll be reading Full Circle, sure. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't going into it with a fair amount of trepidation and wariness, even if I wanted it otherwise.
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Same here.
Don't get me wrong, I go into the new Voyager-Relaunch with much skepticism,too , but not based on the track record of someone else, but because of Beyer's previous Star Trek: Voyager outings.
There have certainly been ST novels that would fit the SF romance category. Majliss Larson's "Pawns and Symbols" for one? Had it sold gang-busters, there'd have been more.
Thanks to Steve Roby's site, I did purchase a ST romance novel that was rejected - and eventually stripped of its TOS characters so it could be published as "Jettison" by DE White (May 2000). Back cover blurb: "A science fiction novel adventure following in the footsteps of Gene Roddenberry". I've never felt compelled to read more than the cover blurb.
I know several female ST fans who read slim Mills & Boon novels voraciously between their thicker ST novels, but the M&B are usually dog-eared and stacked in the bathroom, and the ST novels are lovingly catalogued, or at least shelved, in their ST room. Which tells me that M&B novels are more... disposable?
I'm not trying to start anything up again, but doesn't it occur to anyone that suggesting the female captain of televised Star Trek should be the star of a series of romance novels... is a bit sexist? *That* actually offends me, and seems far more misogynistic than anything else that's been thrown about in these threads.
Yes! Here I totally agree!
When the series was on air, I wanted them to come home, just like most other Voyager fans.
But in recent years, I've changed my mind about that. They should have stayed in the Delta Quadrant, at "The 37's" planet. They could have helped the people there against possible intruders, Voyager would have become the flagship in their own Starfleet and they could have been helping the people on that planet to create a new Federation in the Delta Quadrant. Now that would have been challenging, wouldn't it?
With that option, we would have had the crew together and ready for new adventures. They could have kept Kes and found a way to add Seven as well.
And yes, I want Janeway alive too!
i've decided, i'm buying Full Circle. call it childish if you like, but I'm doing it just to spite everyone screaming "oh noes tehy killeds janeways!!!!!111!!11 it's teh end of me buyin teh booo0ks!!!!!!11!!!!1"
Suddenly the word 'romance' seems to have gotten a trashy sound to it, but that's not the only type of romance out there, and it's definitely not what I'd want and from what I know, nobody else either.
I don't usually read romance novels - sci-fi or otherwise - these days as I'm more of a murder mystery kinda girl, but I would most definitely be interested in a book that explored the Janeway character as a woman with everything that includes. She's deeply flawed and passionate and I love that about her.
As I said I'd love the book to center on Janeway as there's no Voyager without her for me, but I'd want the rest of the crew there as well and plenty of action. I just happen to believe that these things wouldn't have to exclude a bit of 'romance' as well. She is after all a woman and women need romance.
However, I realize that it's probably not going to happen and I'm perfectly happy reading other books, but I'd still like to rekindle my Star Trek passion one day IF Pocket Books should change their minds.
I don't usually read romance novels - sci-fi or otherwise - these days as I'm more of a murder mystery kinda girl, but I would most definitely be interested in a book that explored the Janeway character as a woman with everything that includes. She's deeply flawed and passionate and I love that about her.
As I said I'd love the book to center on Janeway as there's no Voyager without her for me, but I'd want the rest of the crew there as well and plenty of action. I just happen to believe that these things wouldn't have to exclude a bit of 'romance' as well. She is after all a woman and women need romance.
However, I realize that it's probably not going to happen and I'm perfectly happy reading other books, but I'd still like to rekindle my Star Trek passion one day IF Pocket Books should change their minds.
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