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The answer is in the new trailer!!!!

You got your list!
I got a couple of posts from four or five people. That hardly qualifies as "so so so so many times."

I'm waiting for kirk1980 to come back and back up his own words.

I'm sure he won't.
He'd be restating what has already been stated many times in this thread (at least one of those lists was long, far more than you deserved), so what the hell would be the point? To prove he can still type?



Not only that, you should be perfectly capable of obtaining that kind of info on your own, but I guess that would invalidate your own POV, wouldn't it?

And maybe kirk1980 wouldn't mind providing links to disprove global warming while he's at it!

Look there are certain plot elements that people may bring up ( "The boy gets the girl' or ' The aliens that originally seemed hostile really weren't' and so on) that you don't need to cite examples from books and movies and TV.
I really don't like action movies where women dressed in tight leather and trench coats jump sideways firing two pistols at zombies/vampires. We all know there are a few movies like that without me naming them like we need references for a college paper!
 
They aren't going to be giving us yet another retread of that whole 'flying around in a spaceship' plot again are they?
 
^ They speak with words in this movie too. Like that hasn't been done to death already.
 
I think it's fine if they do the thing where they galvanize the crew with an attack on home...I was only saying that kirk1980 was right when he said it's been done before. Nothing wrong with that. Heck I didn't have a problem with the time travel either.
 
You got your list!
I got a couple of posts from four or five people. That hardly qualifies as "so so so so many times."

I'm waiting for kirk1980 to come back and back up his own words.

I'm sure he won't.
He'd be restating what has already been stated many times in this thread (at least one of those lists was long, far more than you deserved), so what the hell would be the point? To prove he can still type?

Not only that, you should be perfectly capable of obtaining that kind of info on your own, but I guess that would invalidate your own POV, wouldn't it?

Hardly, because it's not my complaint, it's his. He won't make the list because he can't really think of any and his post was simply a drive by to annoy people who want this film to be good.
 
I got a couple of posts from four or five people. That hardly qualifies as "so so so so many times."

I'm waiting for kirk1980 to come back and back up his own words.

I'm sure he won't.
He'd be restating what has already been stated many times in this thread (at least one of those lists was long, far more than you deserved), so what the hell would be the point? To prove he can still type?

Not only that, you should be perfectly capable of obtaining that kind of info on your own, but I guess that would invalidate your own POV, wouldn't it?

Hardly, because it's not my complaint, it's his. He won't make the list because he can't really think of any and his post was simply a drive by to annoy people who want this film to be good.
I'm not convinced that it was anything of the sort, and a number of examples of what he was talking about have been provided by others. Can we just drop the insistence on a list delivered to you direct from kirk1980's hands? I do not see this as furthering the discussion in any way.
 
On the one hand, attacks on Earth early in its space faring days does, imo, make sense but on the other hand, given Earth's experience with attacks from within by its own inhabitants and without by the Xindi, (and who knows what dreadful acts the Romulans accomplished during their War with Earth?) a great deal of expectation and preparation for this sort of thing happening also does make sense.

The answer will lay in the execution. How realistically can Nero catching Earthlings with their pants down, (again) be portrayed? Is there any good reason for Earth to be sitting on its haunches and caught off guard here?

Sucks to say but I have to admit I don't think so. That anyone could again maneuver a threatening machine within striking distance without encountering lethal resistance by Earth Defense, (Starfleet?) had better be backed up with some logical explanation.

*switches from Trekker to Trekkie Mode* On the other hand, it's just a movie. We're not supposed to think too much about it, no story ever written is without flaws. If your expectations are a 100% perfect story, your going to be disappointed. It's a song, the words aren't important; what's important is you have a good time singing it.
 
The answer will lay in the execution. How realistically can Nero catching Earthlings with their pants down, (again) be portrayed? Is there any good reason for Earth to be sitting on its haunches and caught off guard here?

Considering that they're dealing with technology over a century more advanced than what's available to the humans, no problem at all.

Give me some modern bombers (and their support) and let me go back to 1914. I'll settle that little problem in Europe in a couple of days.
 
^^There's also the point that based on one of the clips that came out...
The Enterprise comes across a debris field from a Klingon Armada that Nero destroyed. The number I recall is 50 ships, but I can't remember for sure.
So, what it comes down to is that Earth can be as prepared as it wants to be. It's probably humped.
 
Oops, I thought I was posting on the "So, it´s the Xindi attack plot again" thread but that argument spilled over here.

The answer will lay in the execution. How realistically can Nero catching Earthlings with their pants down, (again) be portrayed? Is there any good reason for Earth to be sitting on its haunches and caught off guard here?

Considering that they're dealing with technology over a century more advanced than what's available to the humans, no problem at all.

Give me some modern bombers (and their support) and let me go back to 1914. I'll settle that little problem in Europe in a couple of days.

That could solve the problem. :bolian:

^^There's also the point that based on one of the clips that came out...
The Enterprise comes across a debris field from a Klingon Armada that Nero destroyed. The number I recall is 50 ships, but I can't remember for sure.
So, what it comes down to is that Earth can be as prepared as it wants to be. It's probably humped.

But where in the films timeline do the different attacks, Kelvin, Vulcan and Earth, occur? The Kelvin could have been destroyed before they had a chance to get a message out so that's excusable.

If Earth is hit first then Vulcan getting hit doesn't logically add up, wouldn't an alarm be raised to all Federation worlds? Flip the attack sequence, wouldn't Vulcan do the same if it were attacked first? Either way someone was asleep at a switch somewhere for both of them to be attacked or, the Narada is just too BADASS for words.
 
Oops, I thought I was posting on the "So, it´s the Xindi attack plot again" thread but that argument spilled over here.

The answer will lay in the execution. How realistically can Nero catching Earthlings with their pants down, (again) be portrayed? Is there any good reason for Earth to be sitting on its haunches and caught off guard here?

Considering that they're dealing with technology over a century more advanced than what's available to the humans, no problem at all.

Give me some modern bombers (and their support) and let me go back to 1914. I'll settle that little problem in Europe in a couple of days.

That could solve the problem. :bolian:

^^There's also the point that based on one of the clips that came out...
The Enterprise comes across a debris field from a Klingon Armada that Nero destroyed. The number I recall is 50 ships, but I can't remember for sure.
So, what it comes down to is that Earth can be as prepared as it wants to be. It's probably humped.

But where in the films timeline do the different attacks, Kelvin, Vulcan and Earth, occur? The Kelvin could have been destroyed before they had a chance to get a message out so that's excusable.

If Earth is hit first then Vulcan getting hit doesn't logically add up, wouldn't an alarm be raised to all Federation worlds? Flip the attack sequence, wouldn't Vulcan do the same if it were attacked first? Either way someone was asleep at a switch somewhere for both of them to be attacked or, the Narada is just too BADASS for words.

I don't know about the klingon fleet thing but I know when the Enterprise drops out of warp near Vulcan they find the wreakage of the ships that were sent to defend it so I'm sure Nero would just plow through what ever defenses they have at Earth
 
My theory on the order of attacks:
- Kelvin attacked first, and somehow damages Narada, perhaps destroying itself. George Kirk is killed, but Pike was there and survives.
- Vulcan is attacked years later, and Kirk recognizes this, so Pike raises the shields just in time, leading to the skydive to stop the drilling platform.
- After the failed attack on Vulcan, Nero takes the Narada to Earth, and this attack becomes the basis of the movie's finale.
- Between the Vulcan and Earth attack, we get scenes that shed light on the Narada, older Spock makes an appearance, and other events occur that set the stage for our crew as we know them to form in time for the Finale.
- Between the Kelvin battle and the Vulcan attack, we meet many of our crew at the Academy, and develop the characters, friendships and situations from growing up in Iowa, the bar fight that leads Kirk to the Academy, as well as McCoy and the famous cheating on the Kobayashi Maru which leads to him not being given his shirt and getting McCoy to sneak him ontho the Enterprise when the Vulcan emergency occurs.

So in summary, this is how I think the film may play out:
- Kelvin is attacked by Narada, is destroyed and George Kirk is killed. This is witnessed by Christopher Pike, possibly a lieutenant. Narada is damaged in some way, and Nero is taken out of action for about 18-25 years.
- James Kirk is born, establishing that the Narada failed to kill him by killing his father.
- Spock and Kirk are shown growing up on their respective homeworlds, establishing their backgrounds and certain important character traits (Kirk destroying the car, Spock bullied for not being fully Vulcan).
- Kirk gets into the barfight, where Pike lectures him, and he then goes off to the Academy, where he meets McCoy on the shuttle.
- Spock argues with his father and the Vulcan council about entry into Starfleet's scientific programme instead of following his father into diplomacy.
- Kirk cheats in the Kobayashi Maru test, and engages in other Academy activities. He learns things about discipline, and displays a knack for leadership.
- Kirk and his shipmates graduate, but he does not get his shirt due to the cheating. There is a big rush due to an emergency on Vulcan, and McCoy finds a loophole to get Kirk on board (fake virus).
- Kirk recognises the description of what is happening to being the same as the Kelvin's encounter with Narada, and manages to warn Captain Pike at the last second. Shields go up, and a battle ensues. Spacediving action sequence with Narada drill occurs here.
- Due to deaths and incapacitations, the characters we know gradually fill in the positions we know (Uhura to Communications etc.)
- Something happens in this battle which leads to Pike being taken out of action, and Spock given command. Kirk is thrown off the ship to an Ice Planet due to some conflict with Spock.
- While on the Ice Planet, Kirk faces the creature seen in the trailer, then meets Older Spock, who introduced him to Scotty, who uses a special technique to get Kirk and Scotty to the Enterprise.
- Kirk then gets command of the Enterprise by showing Spock to be emotionally unstable.
- Scotty ends up taking on Engineering, since the Chief Engineer is killed.
- The Enterprise then goes after Narada, and tracks it to Earth for the Finale. Lots of action here !!!
- Once the Narada is destroyed, along with Nero, we are left with Kirk and crew in their legendary positions on the Bridge.
 
Earth was caught almost totally unprepared for both V'Ger and the Whale Probe, and those films were set 40-50 years after Nero's attack in the new timeline of the eleventh film. Starfleet was more advanced and had better ships and weaponry in 2273 and 2286 than it did around the time of Kirk's birth in any timeline we've seen or known about, so a monstrous, time-traveling octopus ship popping out of nowhere(much like the Xindi test probe several generations earlier)and blasting San Francisco doesn't seem too out of the real of probability.
 
Besides, what kind of Trek movie would it be if the valiant James T. Kirk comes flying out of Warp with phasers blazing only to find.....


.... that the problem has already been taken care of. I don't even think that Pine's Kirk could take that huge of a hit to his ego. :(
 
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