Yeah, good luck with that one.
Obama Signs Equal Pay Act.
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Yeah, good luck with that one.
The grace period to file a claim only became a major issue in the cases culminating in the 2007 Supreme Court decision that overturned the previously accepted interpretation, which was that you had 180 days to file from the last paycheck where you received unequal pay. So originally, the generally accepted rule was that every time the company paid you unfairly, the grace period to file a claim was extended an additional 180 days from that point. The Supreme Court changed the interpretation to say that you only had 180 days from the first instance of unfair pay to file a claim. Obama and Congress simply made the previously held interpretation into law.
So Clinton had nothing to do with this, other than appointing two justices who voted against it (Ginsburg expressed a dissent from the bench on behalf of the other three dissenting justices, which is rare). Bush on the other hand appointed two of the five justices in favor of the new, ridiculously strict timeframe, and blocked the bill when it came before Congress (as did Republicans) last session.
I agree. This law is Obama's attempt to make his supporters feel like he is getting things done for them.
But to Corporations, this law is a joke.
All they have to do is point to ONE small thing in the man's job responsibilities that is not in the woman's job responsibilities, and they can claim it is a different job and thus not comparable.
My, how naive Obama is if he thinks this is going to change a single thing.
So I guess we can include the Associated Press article in the OP in the list of biased news sources that cause you not to read any news (according to your own words in a previous topic), then?
Because you clearly didn't read the article (I suspect you just read the thread title and skimmed some equally incorrect about the subject matter posts before responding) and have absolutely no clue what this bill even does, which is consistent with your position on just about anything politically-related, and Obama-related more specifically.
On the other hand, I did miss the willful ignorance, aimless ranting, and bizarrely over-the-top anti-Obama/Obama supporters stance of your posts since the campaign ended. Welcome back, we missed you.
Because another job of that standard is always just around the corner and people can freely choose?
plz direct me to this utopia of which you speak
So you'd be fine if you found out after she was hired that your wife or daughter had been given less pay for performing the same work her male counterparts were doing simply because she was female?
I kind of think tackling the laissez-fairez crowd from the angle of discrimination being unfair won't work. To them employers being assholes is a lesser evil than Big Government telling people what to do, and they often have rosy notions of people having freedom to just go find an employer who isn't an asshole.
Of course. If they agreed to work for a certain amount then they've made a contract they must live by. If they feel they've not gotten a fair shake, go somewhere else. People helping themselves. It think even Obama said something about that recently.
The thing is many people are getting hung up on the "simply because she was female" part and that doesn't even factor into the equation. But it makes some people happy to focus on it because it makes them feel good that they are fighting for something. They missed out on the civil rights marches of the 60's and need a cause to make them feel better.
Many companies also have rules against talking about salaries. States (like Mass) have laws against people telling someone what some other person is making. So in some cases and employee finding out they aren't making as much as someone else could be breaking rules themselves. Would you be okay with that?
No two people do the same amount of work anyway.
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Your last statement is rather silly. Of course no two people do the exact same level of work. That's not the issue. The issue is whether people who have the same experience, same education, are paid at the same rate. It's basic fairness. Isn't that what conservatism claims to stand for?
And you're completely mistaken when you claim that the "just because she's female" part isn't significant. As I recall, Lilly Ledbetter was paid at a lower rate simply because she was a woman and not a man. Sexism has no place in deciding compensation. Closing the 180-day statute of limitations, what this law does, reverses a wrong-headed, pro-business Supreme Court decision. Simple as that!
Red Ranger
ChimpyChompy: Guess our good friend Gertch lives in a plastic bubble up in MA, and hasn't heard the U.S. has lost millions of jobs -- ergo, not so many choice jobs out there, Skippy! -- RR
In between you people poking more jabs at the poster and not the post, try to read the first TWO (2) words of my reply.
wow
In between you people poking more jabs at the poster and not the post, try to read the first TWO (2) words of my reply.
Since your specialty is jabs, thought you might like to know how it feels, my dear adversary! Do unto others, then split. Translation: How ya like me now! -- RR
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In between you people poking more jabs at the poster and not the post, try to read the first TWO (2) words of my reply.
Yeah, but what you said after those first two words sort of negated them.
In between you people poking more jabs at the poster and not the post, try to read the first TWO (2) words of my reply.
Yeah, but what you said after those first two words sort of negated them.
No, they supported what I said. So again, of course I would be fine with it if they agreed to the price of their own free will.
That being said I'm telling my girls that they are smart enough to start their own businesses and not to work for someone else.
In between you people poking more jabs at the poster and not the post, try to read the first TWO (2) words of my reply.
Yeah, but what you said after those first two words sort of negated them.
No, they supported what I said. So again, of course I would be fine with it if they agreed to the price of their own free will.
That being said I'm telling my girls that they are smart enough to start their own businesses and not to work for someone else.
I just have two questions: Will your girls hire you, and will you get a fat bonus?
-- RR
Am I the only one who finds this HILARIOUS? IIRC, AR is a fireman. He has a union job, and is pretty much guaranteed employment for life unless he fucks up in a VERY serious way.
And yet here he is, telling people who do not have the protections that HE enjoys, "tough luck, your boss can fire you anytime he wants"
Tell me AR, would you be so lackadaisical if YOU were fired without cause? Because I have a feeling that you'd file a grievance before you left the building.
Must be nice to be able to ask others to put up with that which you will never have to personally confront.
Am I the only one who finds this HILARIOUS? IIRC, AR is a fireman. He has a union job, and is pretty much guaranteed employment for life unless he fucks up in a VERY serious way.
And yet here he is, telling people who do not have the protections that HE enjoys, "tough luck, your boss can fire you anytime he wants"
Tell me AR, would you be so lackadaisical if YOU were fired without cause? Because I have a feeling that you'd file a grievance before you left the building.
Must be nice to be able to ask others to put up with that which you will never have to personally confront.
Actually I'm an attorney. My position is at will.
I'm a volunteer firefigher. Before you sling mud, get your stories straight.
Am I the only one who finds this HILARIOUS? IIRC, AR is a fireman. He has a union job, and is pretty much guaranteed employment for life unless he fucks up in a VERY serious way.
And yet here he is, telling people who do not have the protections that HE enjoys, "tough luck, your boss can fire you anytime he wants"
Tell me AR, would you be so lackadaisical if YOU were fired without cause? Because I have a feeling that you'd file a grievance before you left the building.
Must be nice to be able to ask others to put up with that which you will never have to personally confront.
Actually I'm an attorney. My position is at will.
I'm a volunteer firefigher. Before you sling mud, get your stories straight.
Ahh, so you`re a SCAB fireman!
Am I the only one who finds this HILARIOUS? IIRC, AR is a fireman. He has a union job, and is pretty much guaranteed employment for life unless he fucks up in a VERY serious way.
And yet here he is, telling people who do not have the protections that HE enjoys, "tough luck, your boss can fire you anytime he wants"
Tell me AR, would you be so lackadaisical if YOU were fired without cause? Because I have a feeling that you'd file a grievance before you left the building.
Must be nice to be able to ask others to put up with that which you will never have to personally confront.
Actually I'm an attorney. My position is at will.
I'm a volunteer firefigher. Before you sling mud, get your stories straight.
Ahh, so you`re a SCAB fireman!
Be nice!
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