As "corny" as the animated 1986 Transformers movie is...

[God Magnus]

Though I've yet to see any good points about Beast Wars.

Have you seen the series yet? I don't mean a glimpse here and there or just a screen shot now and then. I mean actually watch the series through? I think it would be worth your time if you enjoy arc based stories, good scifi, transforming robots, action and humor with a splash of G1 tie-ins.

 

[Holdfast]

The live-action is fine, but I enjoy the animated much more. Of course, it really helps having seen it for the first time as a wide-eyed kid. But even taking that into account, I think it's just a more enjoyable ride, with far more memorable lines & scenes.

 

[SeerSGB]

Though I've yet to see any good points about Beast Wars.

Have you seen the series yet? I don't mean a glimpse here and there or just a screen shot now and then. I mean actually watch the series through? I think it would be worth your time if you enjoy arc based stories, good scifi, transforming robots, action and humor with a splash of G1 tie-ins.

That would be the big change I'd make to Bay-Formers movie: Have GI Joe being the ones holding Megatron under Hover Dam.

 

[Captain Craig]

Though I've yet to see any good points about Beast Wars.

Have you seen the series yet? I don't mean a glimpse here and there or just a screen shot now and then. I mean actually watch the series through? I think it would be worth your time if you enjoy arc based stories, good scifi, transforming robots, action and humor with a splash of G1 tie-ins.

You beat me to it GM.
I think its fair to say that Beast Wars is G1-2.0 and Beast Machines is G1-3.0
The whole series is rooted as a sequel set 300yrs after the 80's cartoon timeline. It then via timetravel jumps back to pre-Neandertal Earth(although for 1.5seasons they don't know that). Pick your era I suppose Jurassic, Mesozoic etc. To only eventually find the burried Ark of dormant TF's in Season 3.
When I hear snippets of what they wanted to do for a S4 I curse Aaron Archer and the suits at Hasbro for forcing the shows demise so they could sell "cool new molds". Archer said that himself.
Beast Wars = cool
Best Machines = medicority, although RID made it look like Shakespeare.

RID is its own thing, cool toys, lame universe
Energon/Armada/Cyberton are their own 3pt saga and I've not watched enough of it but what I've seen is very substandard compared to G1/BW/BM.


Sidebar: God Magnus I won't see you at BotCon this year. First time in 10yrs I've got to pass. Can't do California after SDCC last year. I hope Brian gets a crowd cause I fear the economy will keep people away this year, it got me.

 

[Aquehonga]

TF:TM 1986 character names should've been>

Spockatron, instead of GALVATRON

Citizen UniKANE in lieu of UNICRON

Max instead of KUP

Mysteria Solve'magnus instead of Ultra Magnus.

Who else is there? Oh yeah,

Joe Hunt-Rod instead of Hot Rod

Maybe it could a turned out Poppin' J.Hunt-Rod was running a sleazy duplicitous murderous ponzi scheme & he actually helped get Optimus Prime whacked by purposefully getting in OP's way during the Battle of Autobot City to advance in the Autobot ranks & thought Prime was on to him.

 

[Bishbot]

Though I've yet to see any good points about Beast Wars.

Have you seen the series yet? I don't mean a glimpse here and there or just a screen shot now and then. I mean actually watch the series through? I think it would be worth your time if you enjoy arc based stories, good scifi, transforming robots, action and humor with a splash of G1 tie-ins.

You beat me to it GM.
I think its fair to say that Beast Wars is G1-2.0 and Beast Machines is G1-3.0
The whole series is rooted as a sequel set 300yrs after the 80's cartoon timeline. It then via timetravel jumps back to pre-Neandertal Earth(although for 1.5seasons they don't know that). Pick your era I suppose Jurassic, Mesozoic etc. To only eventually find the burried Ark of dormant TF's in Season 3.
When I hear snippets of what they wanted to do for a S4 I curse Aaron Archer and the suits at Hasbro for forcing the shows demise so they could sell "cool new molds". Archer said that himself.
Beast Wars = cool
Best Machines = medicority, although RID made it look like Shakespeare.

RID is its own thing, cool toys, lame universe
Energon/Armada/Cyberton are their own 3pt saga and I've not watched enough of it but what I've seen is very substandard compared to G1/BW/BM.

I thought BW was set 1 Million years ago? Its obviously not Jurassic, because the Predacons take their dinosaur modes from fossils, not living creatures.

I concur wholeheartedly with your assessment of the shows but I would add that Transformers: Animated, the current series, is excellent.

 

[Aquehonga]

TF:A isn't half-bad. I'm watching more of it every day.

TF:A has Bishop from ALIENS doing a voice, Fred Willard, & Weird Al Yankovic.

Weird Al may be a minus, depending on who finds that out.

But TF:A has promise.

 

[Bishbot]

Where are you up to?

 

[Ethros]

I find it about five times as entertaining and dramatically satisfying as the recent live-action one.

Am I wrong?

Yes you are wrong!
Five times? 50 times more like!

Transformers 2007 was ok, except for some pointless B/C plots such as that girl hacker and her big black friend etc
But as someone who grew up watching Generation 1, I will always think Transformers: The Movie is fucking awesome!

And such great quotes
"I got better things to do tonight than die"


You know what the Michael Bay movie needs; some Stan Bush
If you're gonna ride Dan-o, ride in style!"

Plus, skip to 6:55 onwards in this video- http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cJUrtxf2xOY
The best scene in any film ever

 

[Hartzilla2007]

The problem with the cartoon movie was that it was basically an excuse to sell toys, so almost everyone you knew from the TV show/toy line was either killed, turned into completely different robot or missing for the majority of the movie and you spent the whole movie following around characters you'd never seen before.

Also if you plan to introduce a character that you want to become to become the leader of the other chacaters don't have him accidently cause the death of the previous leader and basically become the new leader because the guy who was originally tapped to replace the dead one is a fumble fingers.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Add me to the "liked both but liked 86 version better" list.

Massive props to Bay for bringing in Peter Cullen.

MORE massive props for using the signiture line from the 86 film: "One shall stand...one shall fall!"

Massive WTF for cutting AWAY from Optimus/Megatron's fight during the utterance of said line.

Secondary props for using the sig line from the Marvel TF encyclopedia: "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings!"

 

[Aragorn]

I'm guessing you didn't see Optimus saying "One shall stand..." because it wasn't in the script and was a late addition.

 

[davejames]

I'd give the Bay version a slight edge myself. As a big fan of the original cartoon, I always find the original movie to be a lot of fun... up until Optimus dies halfway through and all the boring new characters take over. And then it just becomes completely unbearable (and sorry, but Unicron makes for a really dull villain).

The Bay version is definitely loud and overblown at times, but the robots and FX are so jaw-droppingly cool, and truly awe-inspiring, that I don't really mind all that much.

And depite it's flaws, I just find it to be a much more consistantly entertaining movie.

 

[Aquehonga]

Where are you up to?

I`ve seen several:
Megs body
Omega Supreme's 1st appearance.
Dinobots intro
Nanosec baddy

Seeing 2 more tonight.

 

[FalTorPan]

Although I love the '86 film for nostalgic reasons and its "kewl factor," the '07 movie was far better.

I still wish '07 Optimus more closely resembled G1 Optimus, but '07 Optimus looks cool anyway.

 

[StarTrek1701]

I find it about five times as entertaining and dramatically satisfying as the recent live-action one.

Am I wrong?

There was far more drama in the animated film than Bay's utterly retarded fiasco.

I find it about five times as entertaining and dramatically satisfying as the recent live-action one.

Am I wrong?

Nope, it's a great movie and kicks the ass of Bay's live action.
It's pretty heavy going though to watch a toyline get wiped out in one movie. But at least the Transformers are characters, not charactures like in the live action, neither do we have to spend most of the time watching human's with their masturbation jokes and asses hanging out of their pants.

Never saw the animated movie. But the Michael Bay film gave me a migraine - it was a loud, garish nonsensical mess.

Do you guys just live to hate everything that is Bay?

 

[God Magnus]

The whole series is rooted as a sequel set 300yrs after the 80's cartoon timeline.

This is the thing that most people don't know about the show, and they assume it is a complete reimagining of the show without any links to what came before. The shame of it is, I know for a fact that the writers/producers of the show took great pains to tie this show in to the original series, including seeking out input from fans and using the original series for visual references for the "Agenda" 3 parter.

Sidebar: God Magnus I won't see you at BotCon this year. First time in 10yrs I've got to pass. Can't do California after SDCC last year. I hope Brian gets a crowd cause I fear the economy will keep people away this year, it got me.

There's a good chance I may not be able to go either. Right now it's a matter of finance juggling, but it's not looking promising.

 

[T'Baio]

Because we don't like one movie of his, we "live to hate everything that is Bay?"

Hyperbolate much?

 

[Norrin Radd]

Actually I do hate most of Bay's films. I mean, with a resume including the following:

The Island
Bad Boys II
Pearl Harbor
Armageddon
The Rock
Bad Boys

I don't think my attitude is too hard to justify.

Although, I didn't mind The Rock.

 

[Norrin Radd]

I'd give the Bay version a slight edge myself. As a big fan of the original cartoon, I always find the original movie to be a lot of fun... up until Optimus dies halfway through and all the boring new characters take over. And then it just becomes completely unbearable (and sorry, but Unicron makes for a really dull villain).

The Bay version is definitely loud and overblown at times, but the robots and FX are so jaw-droppingly cool, and truly awe-inspiring, that I don't really mind all that much.

And depite it's flaws, I just find it to be a much more consistantly entertaining movie.

When he was given the opportunity to direct Transformers, Bay received a guaranteed cinematic hit on a silver platter.

That's how strong the concept is.

The budget and special FX crew were the true stars, more than anything he did.