Starbase 001: Unrealistic?

[Silversmok3]

That little office-thing in TMP?Hate to break it to ya,but that thing had zero flexibility.It was all outside,so if someone attacked it it was totally exposed,as well as it vital parts.

Its a good question whether the 'dome' of spacedock can be pressurized.

 

[FalTorPan]

I'm not joining in this thread, except to say that I don't recall anyone suggesting that the TMP office complex was designed to withstand an attack of any kind. It's an office complex, not a dreadnought.

 

[Tigger]

I've asked repeatedly for anyone to come up with a reason for an enclosed environment that actually needs doors more than it needs fast exits, and no one has done so, at least in a way that makes sense to me.

FASA implied that Spacedock had four doors - one for each quadrant. Personally, that makes more sense to me then just one door since otherwise starships have to maneuver "under" and "around" the four "wings" coming out of the central core that the Enterprise, the Enterprise-A and the Enterprise-D docked against.

The camera footage from Star Trek III (and reused in TNG) pretty much negates the idea there are four full-size doors, since you see the "port" side (left of the door the ships enter) and there is no door - at least a door as large as the one the Enterprise(s) go through. There is a square indent, however, so perhaps it is a smaller door. So maybe there are two "main" doors for the large ships and two "auxilliary" doors for smaller vessels. That way, you would have four egress points which would expedite emergency evacuations.

Why bother with doors? I suppose they decided if they enclosed most of the structure, they might as well enclose all of it. I agree it seems odd to keep the doors closed most of the time (they're always closed when we see them), but then again, they have power to burn so...

 

[trevanian]

That little office-thing in TMP?Hate to break it to ya,but that thing had zero flexibility.It was all outside,so if someone attacked it it was totally exposed,as well as it vital parts.

Its a good question whether the 'dome' of spacedock can be pressurized.

The point I was answering was about administration, not some highly-theoretical military/defense aspect. The office complex as designed seemed ideal as-was.

If you want to get into this military thing, then take it up with somebody else. I don't see the ILM thing as anything more than a waste of docking space with doors over vacuum (!?) and a whole lotta antennae on top. If you want to believe it has a zillion torp launchers or planetbusters or whatever, fine. That don't mean a thing to me.

 

[Maurice]

FASA implied that Spacedock had four doors - one for each quadrant. Personally, that makes more sense to me then just one door since otherwise starships have to maneuver "under" and "around" the four "wings" coming out of the central core that the Enterprise, the Enterprise-A and the Enterprise-D docked against.

Spacedock console graphic for the "control tower" set for ST IV. Four doors.

Doesn't match the filming miniature interior or exterior, though!

 

[trevanian]

Four doors.

Sounds like CHAIN OF COMMAND meets a Patrick Stewart Pontiac commercial.
'This is no sedan ... there are FOUR DOORS!"

 

[stupidname]

FASA implied that Spacedock had four doors - one for each quadrant. Personally, that makes more sense to me then just one door since otherwise starships have to maneuver "under" and "around" the four "wings" coming out of the central core that the Enterprise, the Enterprise-A and the Enterprise-D docked against.

Spacedock console graphic for the "control tower" set for ST IV. Four doors.

Doesn't match the filming miniature interior or exterior, though!

They're also labelled 9, 11, 15 and 19... suggesting many other doors?

 

[Tigger]

Spacedock console graphic for the "control tower" set for ST IV. Four doors.

Doesn't match the filming miniature interior or exterior, though!

However, there is that smaller square inset, so I think that might be a smaller door. So two large doors and two smaller ones.

They're also labelled 9, 11, 15 and 19... suggesting many other doors?

Well the underside of the middle "bell" has four large openings. Plus there are some larger blue-tinged/blue-hued areas around both the mushroom or the middle bell which could also be doors.

 

[B.J.]

They're also labelled 9, 11, 15 and 19... suggesting many other doors?

I'm thinking it's more like the numbers on a runway, which are labeled after the first two digits of the heading it lies on. (ex: A runway on a heading of 270 degrees would be labeled "27".) Of course, I have no idea what scheme these could be labeled for, since it doesn't match any system I know of.

 

[trekkerguy]

FASA implied that Spacedock had four doors - one for each quadrant. Personally, that makes more sense to me then just one door since otherwise starships have to maneuver "under" and "around" the four "wings" coming out of the central core that the Enterprise, the Enterprise-A and the Enterprise-D docked against.

Spacedock console graphic for the "control tower" set for ST IV. Four doors.

Doesn't match the filming miniature interior or exterior, though!

Since it's a cut-away it fits perfectly.

And this would only be one level, the other doors would probably be on
other decks either above or below and of many different sizes.

Love the Station, wish we could see more of it.

 

[Silversmok3]

FASA implied that Spacedock had four doors - one for each quadrant. Personally, that makes more sense to me then just one door since otherwise starships have to maneuver "under" and "around" the four "wings" coming out of the central core that the Enterprise, the Enterprise-A and the Enterprise-D docked against.

Spacedock console graphic for the "control tower" set for ST IV. Four doors.

Doesn't match the filming miniature interior or exterior, though!

After seeing that graphic, I am reminded of something- In space, you could not only 'parallel park' starships as you see above, but you could also dock ships vertically above and below each other within the dome, too.

 

[Albertese]

FASA implied that Spacedock had four doors - one for each quadrant. Personally, that makes more sense to me then just one door since otherwise starships have to maneuver "under" and "around" the four "wings" coming out of the central core that the Enterprise, the Enterprise-A and the Enterprise-D docked against.

Spacedock console graphic for the "control tower" set for ST IV. Four doors.

Doesn't match the filming miniature interior or exterior, though!

After seeing that graphic, I am reminded of something- In space, you could not only 'parallel park' starships as you see above, but you could also dock ships vertically above and below each other within the dome, too.

Only if they were pretty short ships, say, ten decks assuming more or less standard decks on differing ships. The hollow space in there seems to be big enough to comfortably house the Excelsior, but I suppose you would want to have as much room as possible above and below and all the way around to avoid any unfortunate collisions. Then again, if the ships were maneuvered with small tugs and tractor beams, then I guess if you weren't in a hurry that would allow you to stack them on top of each other.

 

[Albertese]

So, out of curiosity, what ships do you suppose these graphics represent? The ships labeled NX200 and NC177 look to be Excelsior and Constitution refit but the other ships which are not labeled...? One looks to me like an old non-refited Connie, judging by the pylon angles. The other three smaller ships almost strike me as Abbe class ships but I couldn't say for sure. Any opinions?

 

[Basill]

Scale doesn't seem to be an issue here as the Constitutions looks huge compared to the Excelsior, so they are either Mirandas or some never before seen class of ship. Abbe ships aren't canon of course, but sounds good to me.

 

[trevanian]

After seeing that graphic, I am reminded of something- In space, you could not only 'parallel park' starships as you see above, but you could also dock ships vertically above and below each other within the dome, too.

Yeah, but isn't the idea that the ships 'pull up to the pump' to be adjacent to the central core? There are only a few extensions there, and those aren't tall enough to stack ships against vertically.

Oh, I hate that friggin' thing.

 

[Silversmok3]

After seeing that graphic, I am reminded of something- In space, you could not only 'parallel park' starships as you see above, but you could also dock ships vertically above and below each other within the dome, too.

Yeah, but isn't the idea that the ships 'pull up to the pump' to be adjacent to the central core? There are only a few extensions there, and those aren't tall enough to stack ships against vertically.

Oh, I hate that friggin' thing.

Indeed, but theres no indication as yet that you cant just sink a level and park at a 'pump' beneath the top level.

Oy, we need some deleted scenes of spacedock's innards, quick....

 

[Vance]

They're also labelled 9, 11, 15 and 19... suggesting many other doors?

I'm thinking it's more like the numbers on a runway, which are labeled after the first two digits of the heading it lies on. (ex: A runway on a heading of 270 degrees would be labeled "27".) Of course, I have no idea what scheme these could be labeled for, since it doesn't match any system I know of.

Nope, looks to me like they're door numbers. Granted, they don't match the miniature, and we now suddenly have twenty doors on the spacedock (though 16 of them could be maintenance or smaller-craft hatches or something)... but that's really only the logical conclusion to come up with. The graphic is... not a good representation of the model.

 

[Timo]

Well, the shots of the model perfectly allow for four large doors, one for each between-piers, even if the model didn't have that many doors inside or outside...

If Okudagram numbers are supposed to make any sense at all, my interpretation of the numbers adjoining the four doors here would be queue numbers. Departure 15 is scheduled for the "East" gate next, while Departure 7 is going to leave through "West". And Departure 15 happens to be the flight with Flight Plan 9780 for the day, as expanded on that screen. Departure 11 has Plan 7858.

That's the sort of information I'd want on my screen if I were guiding these ladies in and out. Door numbers would be irrelevant: I'd know them like the back of my hand already anyway.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Basill]

They're also labelled 9, 11, 15 and 19... suggesting many other doors?

I'm thinking it's more like the numbers on a runway, which are labeled after the first two digits of the heading it lies on. (ex: A runway on a heading of 270 degrees would be labeled "27".) Of course, I have no idea what scheme these could be labeled for, since it doesn't match any system I know of.

Nope, looks to me like they're door numbers. Granted, they don't match the miniature, and we now suddenly have twenty doors on the spacedock (though 16 of them could be maintenance or smaller-craft hatches or something)... but that's really only the logical conclusion to come up with. The graphic is... not a good representation of the model.

Well, the shots of the model perfectly allow for four large doors, one for each between-piers, even if the model didn't have that many doors inside or outside...

If Okudagram numbers are supposed to make any sense at all, my interpretation of the numbers adjoining the four doors here would be queue numbers. Departure 15 is scheduled for the "East" gate next, while Departure 7 is going to leave through "West". And Departure 15 happens to be the flight with Flight Plan 9780 for the day, as expanded on that screen. Departure 11 has Plan 7858.

That's the sort of information I'd want on my screen if I were guiding these ladies in and out. Door numbers would be irrelevant: I'd know them like the back of my hand already anyway.

Timo Saloniemi

I'm having some trouble finding decent shots of the filming miniature, but I believe the studio model does indeed have 4 large doors on it. It is possible only the main one filmed has any detail or articulation.

There was a larger scale model for close-up shots of the exterior doors I believe, and the interior doors are part of the separate interior model. It probably only has the the one door but they could film it from any angle to fake it. The main door Enterprise enters in TSFS is obviously this door, visible to the aft of the ship as she approaches her slip. However, there is an identical door visible from the Spacedock lounge opposite the ship's starboard side. This suggests another door rotated some 90 degrees to the entrance door.

I will say the graphic appears to have the pier/door angle askew. The filming model suggests the piers should point outward just to the right of the doors, but that probably would have made the okudagram appear all asymmetrical. So unless you assume some sort of rotating interior pier system, which serves even less purpose than the already maligned enclosure... bad graphic.

Also, the door that Enterprise exited when Kirk steals her was indeed labeled 15 from the outside. I find it interesting that the numbers themselves 7-11-15-19 are all odd numbers and in sync seperated by a difference of 4. (If that pattern implies or means anything to anyone... besides the runway/ queue/ or 4-largest-of-20-doors theories)

 

[Vance]

Yep, (going over youtube and many web sites for the model details) there are indeed four large doors on the mushroom dome. (And several large doors as you do down as well, easily making up the twenty). They are numbered as indicated as well, so they're clearly door numbers.

Also, the graphic is off in how the ships approach, the doors should pretty much lead straight into the docking bays, not require the heavy turn.