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More Dollhouse hysteria.

We tried to spread the word. Some people seemed to get upset about that for some reason. The problems with the film were twofold: First, it wasn't quite as good as the show for whatever reason. The darker tone may have contributed to that. Second, Universal thought they could rely on online word-of-mouth to do the heavy lifting for them. Didn't work out.
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Fair enough. But the way some of your more -shall we say - enthusiastic members went about doing things didn't endear them very much to many people.

While I understand your viewpoint, you are being perhaps a bit more inflammatory than necessary in how you're choosing to express it. Doesn't really help the credibility any. Just FYI.
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Unless I'm saying "Joss Whedon is a god who is perfect at everything" my credibility is meaningless to most Whedon fans.

Oh, and as good as Farscape was at times----and season 3 was pretty darn good----it hasn't inspired in me, at least, the same rewatchability factor. Therefore Firefly is "better" in my view.
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That's true. But Farscape was more arc-based and because of that Firefly seems more digestible. At least to me.
 
Of course the show is DOA. it's on Fox, Fox already has too many shows and not enough time to fill them. I think they really should show an episode after American Idol. Show the Pilot on Friday, then the next Tuesday or Wednesday show it again and say the show is on Friday. That would really help it out.

I might watch out of bordom, but the only show on his I like is Firefly.
 
Thrall said:
Unless I'm saying "Joss Whedon is a god who is perfect at everything" my credibility is meaningless to most Whedon fans.
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That's exactly what I mean. I've seen no evidence that this is true, but it keeps getting repeated as if by its own repetition it increases its correctness.

Joss does have an extremely loyal fanbase---not just to him, Escape Key commented on Browncoat loyalty too and all they did was expand the Ballad of Serenity into a full song---but that's as much as I'm willing to grant without some evidence.
 
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I'm curious. If it's easy to catch online, I'll check it out.

When the guy said "One of the things about airing on Friday night, a show is not expected to have those boffo ratings" and "No, I'm not burying him in the Friday graveyard. I'm giving him a little bit of a reprieve by being on Friday," I get the impression that they're putting him in a slot that isn't expected to get the ratings to see if it can get on its feet without that expectation. Like they're building in an excuse for bad ratings before the show even begins.
 
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^ There will be none of that around here, young man! Where do you think you are? This is a house of knee-jerk reactions, jumping to ill-informed conclusions and repeating the same negative preconceived notion over and over again!

Tharpdevenport, where are you located? The only time change move I ever saw X-Files make in the States was to go from Friday to Sunday.
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Just regular Florida, in the U.S.; I recalled the Thursday showing, so I Google the air dates for the series and they backed it up. I only checked a few, didn't want to spend all day seeing what days the show aired on.
 
Well I don't know what to tell you, since I know that X-Files moved from Friday to Sunday in season four and that was the only move Fox ever made with it. In nine years I never tuned in to watch on Thursdays. Did you live in an area that didn't have Fox so the other stations were airing their shows in "syndicated" format?
 
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I loves me some Firefly, but I think this is reaching. Whedon himself admitted that the show was a hard sell. If the show had been handled differently by Fox, then it may have lasted a full season or two, but I think that's about it.
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A "hard sell" to hyper-conservative (in the business sense) studio execs, maybe. FF broke the mold on how to tell richly textured, character driven drama in a sci-fi setting. Openly flouting "convention", it allowed it's leads to be less than perfect people (WAY less in some cases) and still be Big Damn Heroes.

Ultimately, you might be right about how long it lasted, but not because it was a bad show, but because of Fox's congenital inability to resist meddling and self-sabotaging it's properties.

I think it'll be some time before any space-based science fiction show will survive for any length of time on a major network.
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Regretfully, I agree...the cost/profit balances just don't work for a network used to the c/p balances of real-i-crap shows like Survivor and the formulaic tripe of police procedurals.
 
Aragorn said:
The facts speak for themselves? I knew someone who was a big Firefly fan and went to more than one midnight screening of Serenity. Because those shows were packed, he assumed it was going to be a monster hit. He didn't take into account that the people there would be the only ones going back and willing to pay to see it.
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I have never seen a movie like Serenity where people (I even heard it HERE on this board) went out of their way to tell people NOT to go to it "just to piss off the fans".

NEVER before in the history of media had a show with just a handful of eps behind it, cancelled before even ONE full season had aired, been such a HUGE success in the after-market that within just a few years it spawned a big screen movie.

That says something about how good a project is.

Unfortunately, the studio that did the movie fouled up and didn't market or promote it properly.

Add that to the "get the Browncoats" mentality that cropped up among sci-fi fans, and the rest is history.
 
Incidentally, Halo 3 includes Firefly references, or so I hear. That's pretty neat I think.
 
I get the feeling that Dollhouse won't last beyond 6 episodes. The premise probably doesn't seem that interesting to those people that usually don't watch scifi.
 
Dream said:
I get the feeling that Dollhouse won't last beyond 6 episodes. The premise probably doesn't seem that interesting to those people that usually don't watch scifi.
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After the initial, mostly excited, reaction about a new Whedon show coming into fruition wore off... It looks like it doesn't even seem interesting to most scifi fans.
 
^ I think the 6-episode estimate is generous, really. We'll see. After all, Drive only aired 4 of its 6 produced episodes, and it at least had a premise that was recognizable and seemingly marketable. With Dollhouse, even trying to explain the premise produces a collective "huh?"
 
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Lindley said:
Incidentally, Halo 3 includes Firefly references, or so I hear. That's pretty neat I think.
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Well, yes, but Bungie is Powered By Geek.™ In-jokes in audio snippets from unnamed NPCs that most people won't ever pay attention to aren't the best indication of mainstream mindshare, even if it's great fun for folks like us to realize that Mal, Jayne, Wash, and Starbuck have got our backs.
 
blockaderunner said:
Whedon's style has gotten more and more Whedon-esque over the years. And the unconditional fan worship has made it worse. He should just concentrate on that segment of the audience that still adores him and stick to comics.
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Whedon's uneven (just look at the disparity between Firefly the series and Serenity the movie) but still more than capable of doing great work. Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog more than proved that.
 
I think this makes sense from Fox's viewpoint. They've got a hit or miss show that's probably a niche show so they're going to put it into a slot with little competition. If it grabs ratings they can shift it into one of the more competitive time slots and if it nose dives it can go to the real Friday night crypt.
 
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Lindley said:
Incidentally, Halo 3 includes Firefly references, or so I hear. That's pretty neat I think.
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Well, yes, but Bungie is Powered By Geek.™ In-jokes in audio snippets from unnamed NPCs that most people won't ever pay attention to aren't the best indication of mainstream mindshare, even if it's great fun for folks like us to realize that Mal, Jayne, Wash, and Starbuck have got our backs.
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Nathan Fillion's NPC is even called Sargent Reynolds.
 
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