Atrocities? War crimes? 
What are you guys talking about?
What are you guys talking about?
Atrocities? War crimes?
"I can only assume you have not been paying attention." - Londo Mollari
And as long as I'm quoting Londo, "Only an idiot would fight a war on two fronts. Only the heir to the throne to the kingdom of the idiots fights a war on twelve fronts." I say to you, Georgie Bushy is that idiot.
Atrocities? War crimes?
I wasn't making any accusations, just pointing out that the determination of war crimes is not within the jurisdiction of any one state.
I nominate as the single most comical post ever made on TBBS.
That certianly depends on how strictly one interprets the Constitution. Only congress can declare war, but they never made any official declaration of war. Removing the limit of playtime Bush can enjoy with the military without an official declaration doesn't, in my book, count. (And it's a cute little way of letting a president do what he wants while not making it too obvious that congress is ultimately behind it all if things go bad.) But then all that means is that congress was compliant with Bush's BS and for their failure to reign him in, everyone (Dems AND Reps) should have been out on their ass by the following election.
And how does stretching his focus too thin equate to the things I was asking about?Atrocities? War crimes?
"I can only assume you have not been paying attention." - Londo Mollari
And as long as I'm quoting Londo, "Only an idiot would fight a war on two fronts. Only the heir to the throne to the kingdom of the idiots fights a war on twelve fronts." I say to you, Georgie Bushy is that idiot.
Fair enough. There was enough people throwing the "war crimes" term around that I think it's still a pretty valid general question.Atrocities? War crimes?
I wasn't making any accusations, just pointing out that the determination of war crimes is not within the jurisdiction of any one state.
I used to support the guy, even up through his reelection in 04, despite the fact I was too young to vote. However, my support have wavered over the years, and I am no longer a fan. I believe that perhaps he had the right initial ideas in some cases, but the way his ideas and policies were executed were stupid at best, and absolutely inept at worst. At this point I really think the guy was/is in over his head in that position, even though I think sitting and bitching about whether Gore or Kerry would have done better is pointless.
Despite my dislike for the administration, I am not gonna be one to sit here and call them war criminals, and call for them to be put on trial, nor am I one to sit and bitch about how he "stole the election" in 2000. The people who go that extreme on one side irk me as much as those who sit there and still support Bush and is policies blindly.
Despite my dislike for the administration, I am not gonna be one to sit here and call them war criminals, and call for them to be put on trial, nor am I one to sit and bitch about how he "stole the election" in 2000. The people who go that extreme on one side irk me as much as those who sit there and still support Bush and is policies blindly.
Sadly I didn't pay him any attention till 9/11. But the war has made me strongly disapprove of him. I've lived 80% of my life in Texas and I've always hated that goofy cowboy swagger. His fake version is even worse. I don't think he is actually an idiot but the things that come out of his mouth could prove me wrong. The war is the sticking point for me. I've listened to both sides and I don't understand why we are there. I'm just glad he is leaving.
In the last few months my wife and I have started to show him some sympathy. I imagine he can't wait to get the hell out of the White House. I know everyone thought the shoe throwing thing was funny but I felt it was out of line. I wouldn't do that to a leader of another country. But another leader hasn't started a pointless war and ravaged my country either. So maybe my point of reference is off on that.
All said, I'm can't wait till he is gone. Lets just hope Obama can do what he said/thinks he can do.
In the last few months my wife and I have started to show him some sympathy. I imagine he can't wait to get the hell out of the White House. I know everyone thought the shoe throwing thing was funny but I felt it was out of line. I wouldn't do that to a leader of another country. But another leader hasn't started a pointless war and ravaged my country either. So maybe my point of reference is off on that.
All said, I'm can't wait till he is gone. Lets just hope Obama can do what he said/thinks he can do.
Atrocities? War crimes?
"I can only assume you have not been paying attention." - Londo Mollari
And as long as I'm quoting Londo, "Only an idiot would fight a war on two fronts. Only the heir to the throne to the kingdom of the idiots fights a war on twelve fronts." I say to you, Georgie Bushy is that idiot.
I assume then you are calling President Franklin D. Roosevelt an idiot as well.
the U.S. fought on two fronts in WWII that dwarf anything we are fighting on now.
Germany was not attacking U.S. territory in any fashion.
Yet the U.S. decided on a "Germany first" policy.
Germany had already given up on conquering the British when the U.S. entered the war.
The decision to focus on Germany first in World War II is little different from the U.S. attacking Iraq in 2003
Nations no longer declare war in the modern era.
There have been only one or two "declared" wars since World War II.
The term "declaration of war" is largely irrelevant.
For that matter given that Germany never declared war on the British, French, Polish, Soviets, or anyone else besides the U.S. indicates that it was largely a meaningless gesture.
Osama in a cave and Saddam in Iraq is not, in my opinion, an accurate comparison to a unified Germany. A terrorist attack (as horrible as it is) is different than an all out war.
Bush's war has yielded nothing. His reasons for war have been proven a lie.
Bush's war has yielded nothing. His reasons for war have been proven a lie.
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I see the two parties in America divided into four groups, this way:
Big Gov't Liberals - Small Gov't Liberals - Small Gov't Conservatives - Big Gov't Conservatives
I dislike the Big Gov't groups, regardless of their ideologies (i.e., the "reasons" they give for robbing you blind and corrupting your individual rights). GW is squarely in the Big Gov't Conservatives camp. So you can understand I'm not much of a fan...especially when he coopts the language of libertarians in order to then further expand the bureacracy's waistline. Ugh. Good riddance.
However, the next four years are squarely in the Big Gov't Liberals camp, so I'm feeling a bit fatigued from having to carry the weight of an increasingly bloated government on my back.
Big Gov't Liberals - Small Gov't Liberals - Small Gov't Conservatives - Big Gov't Conservatives
I dislike the Big Gov't groups, regardless of their ideologies (i.e., the "reasons" they give for robbing you blind and corrupting your individual rights). GW is squarely in the Big Gov't Conservatives camp. So you can understand I'm not much of a fan...especially when he coopts the language of libertarians in order to then further expand the bureacracy's waistline. Ugh. Good riddance.
However, the next four years are squarely in the Big Gov't Liberals camp, so I'm feeling a bit fatigued from having to carry the weight of an increasingly bloated government on my back.
Let me put it this way. I've been voting since 1980 -- I'm 46 -- and I'm a lifelong Yellow Dog Democrat. So I remember the other two Republican presidents, Reagan and the first Bus. So I mean it sincerely when I say that Dubya actually made me long for Reagan and the elder Bush! And that's saying something for someone like me. So I'd say that I've always disliked Bush intensely. Can't say hate, because to have such a strong emotion you have to actually respect that person. -- RR
I agree with you, but I'd say "Left Wing" and "Right Wing." Calling Left Wingers liberal is insulting to those of us who are.
