To Aventine or NOT to Aventine?

[Sci]

The fact that Aventine has an experimental slipstream would make for some interesting stories. But I still don't buy the idea of Ezri making captain so fast even she is the ninth incarnation of Dax.

I take it, then, that you also don't buy that Picard would have assumed command of the Stargazer?

(Seriously, Picard's taking command of the Stargazer and Ezri's taking command of the Aventine happened under almost identical circumstances: Captain and first officer killed in battle, forcing the late-twenties second officer to assume command. The only difference is that Picard was 27 and Dax is 26.)

 

[William Leisner]

The fact that Aventine has an experimental slipstream would make for some interesting stories. But I still don't buy the idea of Ezri making captain so fast even she is the ninth incarnation of Dax. How "caught up" will the DS9 relaunch be by 2010?

Probably not much more than it is now. The Soul Key, I assume (with all caveats about assuming) would not push the current saga very much farther chronologically, and The Never-Ending Sacrifice appears to take place largely during the run of the series. But then, Olivia or Una may surprise us.

ETA:

The only difference is that Picard was 27 and Dax is 26.

More like 326...

 

[Thrawn]

I'm holding out hope for an epic series of books involving the Ascendants or whatever they're called starting late 2010 that covers a lot of ground in some very high page counts. It's about time that all went somewhere.

 

[Sci]

The fact that Aventine has an experimental slipstream would make for some interesting stories. But I still don't buy the idea of Ezri making captain so fast even she is the ninth incarnation of Dax. How "caught up" will the DS9 relaunch be by 2010?

Probably not much more than it is now. The Soul Key, I assume (with all caveats about assuming) would not push the current saga very much farther chronologically, and The Never-Ending Sacrifice appears to take place largely during the run of the series. But then, Olivia or Una may surprise us.

ETA:

The only difference is that Picard was 27 and Dax is 26.

More like 326...

Well, fair enough, but that just makes Ezri's captaincy more credible.

 

[RonG]

I'm holding out hope for an epic series of books involving the Ascendants or whatever they're called starting late 2010 that covers a lot of ground in some very high page counts. It's about time that all went somewhere.

Amen to that!
waiting over 5 years (has it been that long sonce Rising Son?? ) for a plot thread is way (WAY) too long.

I would love for the DS9R to deal with this and speed up its setting to allign itself with the rest of 24th century Trek. I realize tha each series advances (and will continue to do advance) at its own pace, but a common "starting point" (i.e. post-Destiny) would be welcome, IMO at least.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I would love for the DS9R to deal with this and speed up its setting to allign itself with the rest of 24th century Trek. I realize tha each series advances (and will continue to do advance) at its own pace, but a common "starting point" (i.e. post-Destiny) would be welcome, IMO at least.

Why? A lot of people say that, but for the life of me, I can't figure out so much as a single, solitary advantage to an arbitrary advancement of the DS9 story to the post-Destiny timeframe.

Besides, if there was an advancement of a couple of years to the story-line, then folks (like me) would start yammering away for Pocket to produce stories set in the "missing" years.

 

[JD]

Agreed, on both points.

Really? That wasn't Vaughn getting most of the page time in Warpath, getting his background spelled out in two Lost Era novels and a TNG Dominion War story, getting huge amounts of development in Avatar, Twilight, and Lesser Evil? That wasn't Kira being a or the primary character in Avatar, Demons of Air and Darkness, Horn and Ivory, all the Mission: Gamma books, Unity, Bajor: Fragments and Omens, The Dominion: Olympus Descending, Warpath, and Fearful Symmetry (where we get multiple Kiras), not to mention the third Terok Nor book?

Vaughn (apparently) appears in the third Terok Nor book, too. (I'm only about 70ish pages into it so far, and I haven't come across him yet, but his name is in the character guide in the back of the book.)

 

[nx1701g]

As for those of you who aren't interested in the Aventine, that's fine. As Margaret has said, the individual installments of the metastory will be able to work as standalone tales, just as the 2009 "Cleanup" books can. So you don't have to read them all. So you really have nothing to complain about.

But I do have something to complain about because I have an "investment" in Star Trek books. I own a copy of every Star Trek book published by Pocket Books. I would rather my investment would go toward existing series that have interest to me and at this point Aventine would not be one of those.

And I would rather that a pair of Victoria Secret models lived in the apartment next door than the college kids who like to play Guitar Hero until 1 AM every night.

But sometimes life gives ya lemons. Learn to deal.

You're lucky. We have them until 5:00am here...

Ah Dorm life...

 

[RonG]

I would love for the DS9R to deal with this and speed up its setting to allign itself with the rest of 24th century Trek. I realize tha each series advances (and will continue to do advance) at its own pace, but a common "starting point" (i.e. post-Destiny) would be welcome, IMO at least.

Why? A lot of people say that, but for the life of me, I can't figure out so much as a single, solitary advantage to an arbitrary advancement of the DS9 story to the post-Destiny timeframe.

Besides, if there was an advancement of a couple of years to the story-line, then folks (like me) would start yammering away for Pocket to produce stories set in the "missing" years.

For one thing, advancing all the 24th century series to a similar (if not exact) setting, would "free" the writers to write stories in which characters can be in danger (i.e. we KNOW Ezri and Bowers survive to 2381)... Also, the next time "big" events occur (crises, wars, etc), it would make more sense for all the participating series\characters to work in the same timeframe.

Last, these events (like Destiny) can be used as timely jumping-on points for new readers (IMHO), who can sometimes be apprehensive about starting in the middle of an arc. In DS9-R's case, the last jumping-on point was Worlds of DS9. IIRC, over 4 years ago...

 

[Turtletrekker]

Sorry, I still don't see the advantage. Why it would be better to jump over four years of these characters lives and adventures and growth than to see them unfold as we go?

I mean the fact that we know Ezri and Bowers (and a few others, some who didn't even appear in Destiny) aren't going to die in any foreseeable DS9 books just isn't enough to justify such a jump, it just isn't that big of a deal. It doesn't mean that some bad-ass shit can't come down on them in the meantime. Just because they ain't dying doesn't mean they ain't gonna be hurting.

 

[Thrawn]

Pacing is more flexible in these books than people seem to think, though. Like, the TNG-R covered a whole year in just 5 novels, whereas the DS9-R took 14 to do its first year. In a more extreme instance, it appears Full Circle covers a couple years on its own.

I'm sure, if they wanted to, they could do something like that to DS9 and keep it interesting. The question, of course, is if they want to, and I agree that I just don't see any particularly compelling reason to, at least until they go through all the stuff they've set up already.

 

[Marie1]

I don't think anyone believes Pocket would ever leap from the Soul Key to Destiny (or fill in 4 years with one book). I'm fine with Ezri being on a new ship, and then popping back into the past to learn about DS9... for that matter, I can be excited because on DS9, four years and hopefully 56 books from now, Ezri won't be there! >: D
Wow... now that I've thought of it, this is great!

 

[JD]

I don't understand the obsession with knowing the characters aren't going to die. When a character we know can't die gets into a bad situation, there is still the question of how they will get out of the it.

 

[Dayton Ward]

^ It's not like it matters. Even if someone gets killed (because the story's advanced and now we know they're in REAL DANGER), somebody will be in here the day after the book's published, wanting to know when the character's going to be resurrected.

Can't win for losin'.

 

[William Leisner]

I think all the books should jump to Infinity A.D., where we learn all the characters -- living, dead, formerly dead, undead, and existing on higher planes of consciousness -- all lived happily ever after. Then we won't have to worry about any of this shit ever again.

But you would need to read Articles of the Federation first.

 

[Thrawn]

I think all the books should jump to Infinity A.D., where we learn all the characters -- living, dead, formerly dead, undead, and existing on higher planes of consciousness -- all lived happily ever after. Then we won't have to worry about any of this shit ever again.

But you would need to read Articles of the Federation first.

 

[Count Zero]

Ktrek, if I understand your posts correctly, you collect Trek books and therefore buy every book, regardless of its contents. In this case, I find your disappointment even less comprehensible. If you buy all the books anyway, you can read some of them later so that you can read several titles of a series back to back, wich would be less confusing and overwhelming.

 

[Ktrek]

Ktrek, if I understand your posts correctly, you collect Trek books and therefore buy every book, regardless of its contents. In this case, I find your disappointment even less comprehensible. If you buy all the books anyway, you can read some of them later so that you can read several titles of a series back to back, wich would be less confusing and overwhelming.

Indeed I do purchase every book that's released but it doesn't mean that I don't want to see slots used for current existing series instead of starting up another series. Anyway, my original post is a moot point because apparently I misunderstood what Margaret had said. If I understand correctly now there is not an Aventine series planned but the Aventine will figure into a larger metastory. Thus I apologize fo the original post even if it has contributed to several pages of interesting debate.

Kevin

 

[The Grim Ghost]

The fact that Aventine has an experimental slipstream would make for some interesting stories. But I still don't buy the idea of Ezri making captain so fast even she is the ninth incarnation of Dax.

I take it, then, that you also don't buy that Picard would have assumed command of the Stargazer?

(Seriously, Picard's taking command of the Stargazer and Ezri's taking command of the Aventine happened under almost identical circumstances: Captain and first officer killed in battle, forcing the late-twenties second officer to assume command. The only difference is that Picard was 27 and Dax is 26.)

Picard was always on the command track though. Ezri trained to be a counselor which means that her academy training would have been quite different. Then she suddenly switched over to the command track. Very different situation. I don't have a huge problem with her being a Captain, though I do think it is a bit silly. My problem is that she is instantly presented as being as good as Picard and Riker.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

The fact that Aventine has an experimental slipstream would make for some interesting stories. But I still don't buy the idea of Ezri making captain so fast even she is the ninth incarnation of Dax.

I take it, then, that you also don't buy that Picard would have assumed command of the Stargazer?

(Seriously, Picard's taking command of the Stargazer and Ezri's taking command of the Aventine happened under almost identical circumstances: Captain and first officer killed in battle, forcing the late-twenties second officer to assume command. The only difference is that Picard was 27 and Dax is 26.)

Picard was always on the command track though. Ezri trained to be a counselor which means that her academy training would have been quite different. Then she suddenly switched over to the command track. Very different situation. I don't have a huge problem with her being a Captain, though I do think it is a bit silly. My problem is that she is instantly presented as being as good as Picard and Riker.

Which is really annoying in Lost Souls.

That being said I wouldn't mind an Aventine series if Ezri was Gods of Night/Mere Mortals Ezri and not the second coming of Art of the Impossible Cuzon that Lost Souls Ezri turned into.