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All 30GB Zunes: Dead.

That story is from 2004. Apple's gone through four or five generations of iPods since then. The batteries are a third party component anyway.
 
Not to drag this thread back on topic but, now that its 3:00PM EST on January 1st, 2009, did the problems with the Zune clear up? Everyone back up and running?

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Why do Microsoft's programmers always seem so sloppy and fail to anticipate normal occurrences like leap year days?

How come Apple programmers can't get an iPod to consistently display the correct time?

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=362975

Apple programmers are no more perfect than Microsoft programmers.

Exactly. There's just a lot of wagon jumpers out there.
So the issue is fixed, the Zunes work again and outside this easily
fixed glitch they have pretty much a perfect track record.

all 20 Zune owners...

*Yawn* :rolleyes: The Zune is the first product to actually take a piece
of Apples maket share. Right now it's holding about 2% or about
2 million Zunes. And if people got a little more educated and didn't
simply buy what every one else was going for cause it was "kewl"
it would already be alot more. With a superior product and so far
better marketing, when the third gen models roll out it'll gain more
ground.
 
And if people got a little more educated and didn't simply buy what every one else was going for cause it was "kewl"
it would already be alot more.

Gee, I thought I bought an iPod because it had an amazing multi-touch interface, it surfed the web and checked e-mail, and featured a store with tons of applications and games.

But you're telling me it was actually because it was "kewl?" Huh, I didn't know that!
 
And if people got a little more educated and didn't simply buy what every one else was going for cause it was "kewl"
it would already be alot more.

Gee, I thought I bought an iPod because it had an amazing multi-touch interface, it surfed the web and checked e-mail, and featured a store with tons of applications and games.

But you're telling me it was actually because it was "kewl?" Huh, I didn't know that!

You're one of the few. And I guess I should be more specific.

People who buy an iPod model as an MP3 player, since that's the market
they are actually competing in. :rolleyes: If someone wants a device to do 50
billion other things I wouldn't suggest the Zune of course, it's an MP3 player.
 
People who buy an iPod model as an MP3 player, since that's the market
they are actually competing in. :rolleyes:

So you're comparing the 120 GB Zune to the 120 GB Classic.

What's the big differences you're talking about? The wi-fi syncing and FM radio? That's something, but the Zune is thicker and gets less battery life.

So those aren't examples of a superior product, but an example of trade-offs that some people prefer to have.

Apparently, 2% of the people.

And that's fine. I've got no problem with the Zune. But to call it a superior product isn't accurate. It's a "slightly different" product. Not better, nor worse.
 
But to call it a superior product isn't accurate. It's a "slightly different" product. Not better, nor worse.

I have no problem calling the Zune a superior product for what I need and want from a digital music player. I think it has a vastly better interface, better software, and it does indeed have features that most iPods don't have (the aforementioned wi-fi and FM radio).

Microsoft has also provided free software/firmware upgrades to ALL Zune users, so first and second generation devices have the exact same features as third generation devices. Apple does not do this. I'd call that a signifanctly superior way of showing customer appreciation. In fact one could call it a "feature."

(And ,yes, it was that very same firmware upgrade that incapacitiated 30 GB Zunes for a day).
 
I have no problem calling the Zune a superior product for what I need and want from a digital music player. I think it has a vastly better interface, better software...

This is where I'm a bit lost. I've never had an issue with any of my previous iPods where I wanted to do something and couldn't.

So to me this is like I'm saying "I like my toaster. It makes great toast" and you saying "Well my toaster is superior!"

What makes it better? Well...you know...just because!
 
Here's a little comparison showing why the Zune is superior. This is based on the 120GB models of the Zune and the iPod classic.

Price - Zune: $249 iPod: $249
Wireless Files Sharing/Marketplace - Zune: Yes iPod: No
Wireless Sync - Zune: Yes iPod: No
Landscape mode video - Zune: Yes iPod: No
Preloaded Games - Zune: Yes iPod: No
Custom wallpaper - Zune: Yes iPod: No

I also vastly prefer the interface, and the software used to the interface and iTunes used for the iPod. The landscape mode widescreen video is also a nice feature.
 
People who buy an iPod model as an MP3 player, since that's the market
they are actually competing in. :rolleyes:

So you're comparing the 120 GB Zune to the 120 GB Classic.

What's the big differences you're talking about? The wi-fi syncing and FM radio? That's something, but the Zune is thicker and gets less battery life.

So those aren't examples of a superior product, but an example of trade-offs that some people prefer to have.

Apparently, 2% of the people.

And that's fine. I've got no problem with the Zune. But to call it a superior product isn't accurate. It's a "slightly different" product. Not better, nor worse.


I'm comparing any Zune to any comparable iPod.

It's not thicker and does not get less battery life.
You're thinking of the first model Zune, the 30GB.

Your smart off about 2% people doesn't work. The Zune has only been on
the market for 2 years and entered once iPod already had the major market share.
It's not easy to pull away customers once they already have a product,
even if yours is better. Grabbing 2% already is actually really good.

It could be considered a superior product in the sense it has better
functionality, smoother interface and controls, and more versatile software.
There is personal taste, but most people that I have sold a Zune
to have come back later to tell me they found it a much better product.
Oh yeah, I've done this for a living.

70% of the market just hasn't discovered it yet.
 
The landscape mode widescreen video is also a nice feature.

The iPod Touch also has that.


That's nice...the iPod touch is also only available with at most 32GB, and goes for $399. Less storage for a higher price. Hardly comparable to the Zune 120GB.

The iPod Touch also has that.

Yeah, glad they caught on.

And where's your evidence that the Zune had it first?

The fact that the Zune 30GB was released first...

iPod touch: September 2007
Zune: November 2006
 
When I was choosing between an iPod and a Zune roughly a year ago, one of the major factors, not discussed above, was that the iPod could be used as a standard HD if you so desired. Not so for the Zune, at least at the time.
 
I never understand why these threads degenerate like this. All my mp3 players are iPods and I like it that way but the Zune isn't crap it's just not what I want.
 
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