Phase II- Blood and Fire teaser released!!
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Lightinspire
Lieutenant Commander
My quote still stands though, you didn't read it on the other BBS so I'll let that stand as your legacy. You can't deny it.
Post not poster dude. If you keep getting personal you're likely to end up with an infraction at some point.
Uh huh. Well since I actually took the time to read the entire review, as opposed to simply quoting certain bits out of context to give a false impression, I think I can quite easily dismiss that particular statement. But really, whatever makes you sleep at night. *shrug*
^Nuisances aside, Nick, I wanted to say that you had the best redshirt death of any Trek. And it was especially good to see you in a TOS production. I really enjoyed the snips of humor you had with DeSalle and Peter Kirk.
Thanks Middy. 
Just noticed you're in San Diego. My wife and I were there just a couple of months back. Beautiful city.
Just noticed you're in San Diego. My wife and I were there just a couple of months back. Beautiful city.
Not a clue. I was pretty impressed when I saw the finished scene.
Lightinspire
Lieutenant Commander
Ok, point taken..I just hope that also applies to the others...
Thanks Middy.
Just noticed you're in San Diego. My wife and I were there just a couple of months back. Beautiful city.
Anytime, Nick. I thoroughly enjoy anything that you and your intrepid -- pun intended -- crew are in.
Yeah, just moved back to San Diego after three years in Los Angeles. I've missed it.
You did do an excellent job there Nick. I honestly didn't recognize who you were at first and then you spoke. I was like "Oh yea, I remember him now." Heh, congrats on the role though, too bad it was short lived, pun intended.
Anyway, I'm curious as to Peter, I recall that he was a youngster, maybe early teens in the TOS episode he appeared in. Boy, he sure did age quite a bit in a short amount of time. I'm assuming that it's just a slight stretch of canon and no big deal I was just surprised to see him as a crew member on the Enterprise already.
I was like "Oh yea, I remember him now." Heh, congrats on the role though, too bad it was short lived, pun intended. Anyway, I'm curious as to Peter, I recall that he was a youngster, maybe early teens in the TOS episode he appeared in. Boy, he sure did age quite a bit in a short amount of time. I'm assuming that it's just a slight stretch of canon and no big deal I was just surprised to see him as a crew member on the Enterprise already.
Lightinspire, I think you might have misunderstood the overall summary of the review. I think it doesn't only say that the teaser was the best part. I think the last paragraph says two things: that "Blood and Fire" is good and that the teaser was the best part. Did you not read the second to last sentence in that final paragraph?
Overall, I agree with you Lightinspire: while the teaser was probably about a 10, the rest of the episode was probably only a 9.
Thank you again, Middy. And thank you too, IcecreamLtDan.
Story? In the teaser? I think one puts most of the story in the four acts that follow the teaser--and that the teaser should primarily tease and only secondarily offer some narrative. I don't subscribe to your false dichotomy. I think we did indeed tease first and offer a bit of narrative second, in order to get the story started. We opened with Ensign Peter Kirk being put in harm's way, setting the stage for a story about Captain Kirk's relationship with Peter and the Captain's ambivalence about having Peter on board.
It was indeed exciting when it was "new like in TWOK." But judging by the feedback we're getting, it's still pretty damn exciting to our viewers. I'm sorry you found the teaser tedious. For many, it seems to be the highlight of the episode. But then, not every viewer is as discriminating as you might be. It's hard to be all things to all viewers.
Greg Schnitzer
Co-Executive Producer
Star Trek Phase II
I put in my first post after doing the "view on web" through the DE mirror, which showed the trailer followed by the teaser -- I didn't realise it was a full episode until I downloaded the bits at work yesterday and watched all four acts!
Well, really nice stuff. It would be awesome to get some official backing from Paramount and get a DVD set of these guys. This and Exeter are the creme de la creme of TOS fantrek -- I really like how there's people like Nick appearing as well as original cast. Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.
I completely agree that despite some trepidation about the casting change with Spock the new guy is really good; if I close my eyes it's pretty close to the real deal.
The professionalism impresses as well as the time and money that must go into making these, it's really a cut above. I cannot heap enough praise upon the players and the folk behind the scenes for doing these shows.
Bring on Part 2!
Well, really nice stuff. It would be awesome to get some official backing from Paramount and get a DVD set of these guys. This and Exeter are the creme de la creme of TOS fantrek -- I really like how there's people like Nick appearing as well as original cast. Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.
I completely agree that despite some trepidation about the casting change with Spock the new guy is really good; if I close my eyes it's pretty close to the real deal.
The professionalism impresses as well as the time and money that must go into making these, it's really a cut above. I cannot heap enough praise upon the players and the folk behind the scenes for doing these shows.
Bring on Part 2!
The teaser was exciting. The music great. The effects top notch. It does a good job at hooking the viewer's interest.
My only critique is that NV/PII has, in the last four episodes going all the way back to "In Harm's Way," hooked viewers with some sort of battle/phaser fight. The danger being that it can become predictable and played out. Space battles and the way they are filmed (shaky camera, jostling bodies) have also become a bit of a cliche in all Trek. Perhaps that's why it was perceived as being tedious.
Moreover, space battles are overused in other fan productions and, unfortunately, comparisons are invariable drawn between all of them. It's not the quality of the battle, but the quantity of them in fan films across the board. It can be seen as standardized, despite Phase II standing out among the majority of them.
Nevertheless, the battle was thrilling to watch because of the effects and the director's use of camera angles, such as the "god" overhead shot of the bridge.
I would like other types of teasers to be explored in later episodes, and they probably will judging by what's in the pipeline ("The Child" and "Kitumba").
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Yes, we do seem to have dipped into that well a lot. I think that some of the problem is that each of our writers has looked at his episode and thought "You know what would be a great opening? A space battle!" And it turns out, in each instance, it has worked out well. I don't think any of them have felt obligated to not use that type of opening teaser simply because some other writer has already done that. It might be a cliche, but it seems to be a cliche that still works. Nevertheless, I'm sure it loses its dramatic impact for some--if it hasn't already.
All that being said, certainly the opening teaser for "Blood and Fire, Part 2" won't be opening with a space battle. It picks up where "Part 1" leaves off. Then our next episode "Enemy: Starfleet" has an opening teaser that's entirely a planetside exterior that's much like "Obsession." And "The Child" has an opening teaser that's pretty much just like it was when it was done as a TNG episode. As for "Kitumba," we're still working on the script and we have a couple of different teasers we're playing with. But since it doesn't shoot until June, we have time to play.
The "damned if you do, damned if you don't" cynic in me says that we'll get all kinds of people weighing in on various Trek forums when those episodes are finally released, complaining that the teasers just aren't as exciting as our earlier space battle teasers have been and that Phase II has really gone downhill.
But we'll see I guess.
Greg Schnitzer
Star Trek Phase II
I have to say, the "burning" warp nacelle was the coolest effect in the sequence. I couldn't take my eyes off of it. It really suggested peril!
One review doesn't sum an episode up. I read the reviews but then I watch it and make my own mind up. After all, a review is still only one person's opinion, whoever and wherever it is.
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