Different opinions make the world go round

[commodore64]

frankly i wonder about why there should be thread like this in the forum.
we should be discussing characters ,stories ect and not why posters feel the way they do about this.

HR, the mod, allowed it, so ....? Besides, this isn't about posters; it's about the forum itself, as a whole. If it's about any poster, it's about the poster responding: "I think" and "I feel."

Since I haven't noticed a problem in other forums, it didn't seem like a post for the Q&A section. Granted, I only hang out on the Trek, TOS, BSG and General Sci-Fi boards though.

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

But I believe TATV is an exception...

No.

Wow, what a nice example of respecting an opinion, take it out of context and slap a plain and simple "NO" to it. I'll never get the people who like TATV, but I'll never try to dispute their right to like it. It's a TV show for god's sake...

I apologize; I meant no disrespect.

Your post in full:

^ Let me be the first to support your right to a different opinion. Arguing with you tends to be fun, but I also think that everybody has a right to get angry at other peoples opinions (angry, but by no means uncivil). When we argue about stuff like "which character has more charisma," "which character is better looking," "Who should have gotten romantically involved with whom," "Is ANIS a good ep, or a bad one," that's all OK by me, like it, don't like it, have it your way. But I believe TATV is an exception, because it offended so many people, gotten them furious, disappointed, even hurt (judging by many post I've read all over the net, not just here), and every time someone states his/hers fondness of it, it's like adding salt on the wound.

To my read, you indicate that you believe TATV should not be allowed as a topic of discussion here, because many people object to the episode. If I have misunderstood you, please clarify things for me.

You also indicate that you enjoy arguing, that it's okay with you. Be aware that an angry or argumentative attitude, depending on the language used, can be misconstrued by other posters as condescension or disrespect. Even the statement "You're wrong!" comes closer to the realm of personal attack (because the words are directed at a poster, rather than to his/her post) than a less emotionally charged statement such as "I disagree with that statement," or "I see things differently," both of which focus on the post itself.

With regard to topics that, in your opinion, "pour salt on the wound," you always have the choice of skipping over posts that you find disagreeable, or of avoiding the thread altogether. You have the choice of putting another poster on "ignore" if you don't want to read his/her posts.

The objective of this discussion board is to provide an atmosphere where everyone feels comfortable expressing their views, no matter what those views are. All we ask is that you express yourselves in a civil manner.

frankly i wonder about why there should be thread like this in the forum.
we should be discussing characters ,stories ect and not why posters feel the way they do about this.

HR, the mod, allowed it, so ....?

I have kept this thread open because it seemed to be a good opportunity to clarify a few things that a few people may have misunderstood regarding the board rules.

Since I haven't noticed a problem in other forums...

Obviously you haven't been to the Trek XI forum.

And I think we're about done here. If anyone has further questions, you can take another look at the TrekBBS Rules; they're a bit out of date, but the relevant material still applies. Or you can always PM a moderator.

 

[Mach5]

To my read, you indicate that you believe TATV should not be allowed as a topic of discussion here, because many people object to the episode. If I have misunderstood you, please clarify things for me.

I too must apologize, for being somewhat vague. By "I believe TATV is an exception," I didn't mean to say that liking (let alone discussing) TATV should be forbidden, but that it should be approached more carefully. By itself, TATV is unique and unprecedented, and I doubt many people would disagree on that.

With regard to topics that, in your opinion, "pour salt on the wound," you always have the choice of skipping over posts that you find disagreeable, or of avoiding the thread altogether. You have the choice of putting another poster on "ignore" if you don't want to read his/her posts.

Where's the fun in that?

 

[Middleman]

I think that Enterprise fans that go to forums have learned to be gun shy. The official ST forums were the worst. Just getting on the ENT forum and saying that you like the show always resulted in the same group jumping on your case, telling you that you are stupid if you like "the worst show in ST history." Dealing with that tends to make you touchy. Some of that bunch have showed up here a few times just to stir things up. Luckily this place is much better moderated and much more civil.

You are welcome to have your opinion. Just understand that sometimes it might cause some of us to have flashbacks to the days when Enterprise fans were kicked around.

Now it seems to be Voyager that has taking that roll. Enterprise is holding up well over time.

It's never been the difference of opinion, it's the way the debate takes place and how the the "critics" make their case. I became a fan of Enterprise in October 2007 after a 17 year absence from Star Trek; Enterprise brought me back to the Franchise. Last December I made my first post at StarTrek.com saying I liked Enterprise and was immediatly viciously attacked. Like you said, I became gun shy at first, but after reading the posts there for a while I came to learn how to deal with these clowns and unfortunately it meant being nastier than they were. Thankfully most of them seem to have left the Enterprise board and the conversation has become a bit more civil. However that can change at any time seeing as those boards have virtually no moderation.

I've come here looking for more civil discussion. Unfortuantly, I've noticed some of the same ST.com trolls posting here, only they seem a bit more "tame".

 

[miriel68]

Well, I came to the forum to enjoy discussions with the people who have similar or different opinions about Enterprise, but the amount of aggressiveness I found in some threads rather put me off : I didn't expected it in a moderated forum. However, there are also some really nice and intelligent people here, too, and while I tend to skip threads like "XY sucks", "the worst thing ever" etc., I still enjoy some of the topics

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

I too must apologize, for being somewhat vague. By "I believe TATV is an exception," I didn't mean to say that liking (let alone discussing) TATV should be forbidden, but that it should be approached more carefully. By itself, TATV is unique and unprecedented, and I doubt many people would disagree on that.

We survived the shipper wars of a few years back, so I think we can handle the existence of TATV.

Middleman, I'm glad to hear that Enterprise has been a positive experience for you as a Trek fan. I have enjoyed much insightful and thought-provoking discussion here, and I hope you do as well.

Well, I came to the forum to enjoy discussions with the people who have similar or different opinions about Enterprise, but the amount of aggressiveness I found in some threads rather put me off : I didn't expected it in a moderated forum. However, there are also some really nice and intelligent people here, too, and while I tend to skip threads like "XY sucks", "the worst thing ever" etc., I still enjoy some of the topics

There are extremes of personality in any community. In fandoms such as Trek, many people have passionate opinions, and some choose to express themselves quite strongly. The trick, I think, is to do what you have done, and focus on what you find interesting.

 

[commodore64]

I too must apologize, for being somewhat vague. By "I believe TATV is an exception," I didn't mean to say that liking (let alone discussing) TATV should be forbidden, but that it should be approached more carefully. By itself, TATV is unique and unprecedented, and I doubt many people would disagree on that.

I'm glad you clarified. Like HR, I thought you meant the topic is verboten. By the way, ignore can be your friend. There are some posts that I feel, unfortunately, compelled to respond to. By ignoring, I can move on without the temptation.

Obviously you haven't been to the Trek XI forum.

True!

Miriel, sorry to hear you and Middleman are gun shy.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Very interesting thread.

All I have to add is that I found this forum to be a an oasis after trying to discuss ENT in my previous Trek venues. In one venue I was once active on you cannot mention anything that could possibly remind anyone of ENT--mentioning you are eating cheese will produce a spew of venom about Porthos. Yes I've noticed some of the negativity but I've always felt this was the ONE place I could post about episodes and characters and actually talk with other ENT fans.

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

That's good to hear, teacake. And a positive way to wrap-up to this discussion.